I want to follow an AFL club again....I mean a real one.

Yes, I'll keep buying memberships...and I'll keep donating money to third world countries too. Its some kind of obligation I have.

But thats what this club has become ....an obligation.

Whenever you think you've hit the bottom they're always there to take you one step lower.

It'll be interesting to see what people thought of Grimes game.

He is closing on a hundred games but I still don't trust him as he panics or make bad decisions/execution.

I don't trust Garland, Watts, Dawes, Lumumba.

That's 5 senior players. Good luck young fellas

We still don't have any star mids....just a few B graders who are inconsistent.

This is why any team we play thinks they are a chance to beat us.

I bet Carlton went into this weeks game, thinking put them under heaps of tackling pressure in the first quarter and they will wilt,as they don't have any stars to lead the way.

We will always be getable by anybody untill we recruit or develop our own A grade mids.

Viney and Brayshaw may develop into good ones but we have no one to lead the way.

Should Daniel Cross go around again next year? You can't fault the guys attitude, commitment or his career overall. But he's very slow and can't kick far or accurately. He's one of many I hate seeing getting the ball in space, anywhere on the ground because he can't do much with it. 50/50 for mine.

I want to follow an AFL club again....I mean a real one.

Yes, I'll keep buying memberships...and I'll keep donating money to third world countries too. Its some kind of obligation I have.

But thats what this club has become ....an obligation.

Whenever you think you've hit the bottom they're always there to take you one step lower.

Obligation is a great word to describe our team. I could think of a few more but will leave it at that.

I agree with the comment about Melbourne players being scared to have a shot at goal, and in at least 2 instances in the last quarter they kept handballing it until the ball was turned over. At really critical times.

Also, there was a centre bounce where we only had 3 players in the square. That's under 10s stuff!! Jones wasn't in the square. He is the captain FFS, he should have directed somewhere in there, or gone into the square himself. Or perhaps it was all part of a cunning plan (in the Baldrick mode).

I get really frustrated with the large amounts money paid to god knows how many coaches, to supposedly develop players, who are just abysmal. As for the players themselves ... don't get me started!!!

Everyone up for trade except Hogan and Brayshaw.

Club needs to be gutted to start again.

Yep agree

I would also keep one other

The Four & Twenty pie seller near the old bay 13 Served me up a sensational Angus Pie, just the right temperature and texture!

A keeper definitely!

Should Daniel Cross go around again next year? You can't fault the guys attitude, commitment or his career overall. But he's very slow and can't kick far or accurately. He's one of many I hate seeing getting the ball in space, anywhere on the ground because he can't do much with it. 50/50 for mine.

I'll take his attitude every day of the week over some of the others.

I'd keep him on. Not sure who he's keeping out?

I seriously want to question just a couple of things...(i) WTF is our fitness coach doing? We have been slow and sluggish for the past 10 years - absolutely no improvement here (ii) Who is responsible for our kicking skills? If you cannot kick the ball (as opposed to 50 handpasses!) to your teammate and hit him on the chest, what the hell are you doing and who is pulling these players up at training, saying "not good enough" go back and do it again. Even Roos said that Hawthorn pride themselves on making sure that every player in that side is 100% committed to the perfect kick, pass, tackle or tap is spot on EVERY SINGLE TIME (iii) enough of the loopy up and under kicks that give the oppo time to get to the contest...(iv) if you take the play inside the corridor and your inside 50 FFS kick for goal, do not handpass on or "backwards".... I'm getting tired of the same mistakes year on year. What's the solution?

Obligation is a great word to describe our team. I could think of a few more but will leave it at that.

Me too....but my anger has been so watered down over so many frikn years...thats all I had left

Garland, Lumumba, Dawes, Dunn, Howe, Watts, Garlett, N Jones, Vince, Cross, Grimes, Jamar.

We continue to drop and delist fringe players. But the issue is the core leadership group. Jamar was dropped, Grimes was dropped. Watts dropped himself. The rest continue to coast through games and seasons, untouched.

Big decisions need to be made at this club to fix the real problems at our core.

I thought that was Cross's worst game today. Dropped simple marks and fumbled. Again it was our 1st quarter slow start. We cannot let teams kick away lie that and have to play catchup. The 1st half was terrible and the 2nd half wasnt to bad. I thought we would have been blown away. Still a disgraceful performance.

We missed a few easy goals and it would have been great if Salem managed to kick that one right on 3/4 time.

Hogan v cripps for the rising star. Cripps took the points today. Even kicked more goals than Jesse today.

I fear what freo will do to us next week.

I was sitting in the MCC as always today and there seemed to be very little anger directed towards the players. Our players get off scot free. If we had supporters like Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon, they'd get booed off. It signals that the supporters won't tolerate the insipidness any longer.

I've read before on Demonland certain posters decry this as an alternative, but I'm sick of us as a supporter base just bending over and copping it. We need to illustrate a bit of passion. Our players get off so lightly. We've had to sit through it for the last decade. No other club would accept it.

Me too....but my anger has been so watered down over so many frikn years...thats all I had left

Can't agree more.

I and my kids are struggling big time especially when they keep putting these performances in season after season after season.

There was talk of finals next season HA we will be in the bottom 4 again.

Spent the game as a guest in the Carlton Captain's Room.

Saddest part is, we were never in it. Against the team that was dishing up the WORST form in the AFL at this present time. This is the second tie we have done this (Essendon).

I knew it was over with the Cripps goal in the last quarter when Gawn had a great run at a mark on the wing, only to spoilt by Grimes (who had no idea that Gawn was even there) and while both of them took each other out, Carlton ran in and scored from 20 out in front.

How can a bunch of blokes who train and play together so many times, be so disjointed and unaware of each other.

It was a dog's breakfast all game.

ps. Surprised to not see Howe listed in Carlton's goal scorers OR in their best players. He would be disappointed and surprised I think.

I was sitting in the MCC as always today and there seemed to be little anger directed towards the players. Our players get off scot free. If we had supporters like Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon they'd be booed off. It signals that the supporters won't tolerate the insipidness any longer. I've read before on Demonland certain posters decry this as an alternative, but I'm sick of us as a supporter base just bending over and copping it. We need to illustrate a bit of passion. Our players get off so lightly. We've had to sit through it for the last decade. No other club would accept it.

Yep and dya know what there is no immediate antidote!

Its like we have a cancer that can't be fixed right now , but in twenty years or so a "Miracle" cure will be found!

There is only one problem

By that time the patient will be dead!

After following for this club for a lifetime After today gee I sat at the "G" and a seagull pooped on me!

Can it get any worse??

24.7 to 4.7 the total of our first half scores the last 2 games.

Says a lot

Can it get any worse??

Dude we follow the worst club in footy of course it can get worse.

Yep and dya know what there is no immediate antidote!

Its like we have a cancer that can't be fixed right now , but in twenty years or so a "Miracle" cure will be found!

There is only one problem

By that time the patient will be dead!

After following for this club for a lifetime After today gee I sat at the "G" and a seagull pooped on me!

Can it get any worse??

I said I wouldn't get shat on today, because we had absolutely no luck. Turns out my team shat on me instead.

24.7 to 4.7 the total of our first half scores the last 2 games.

Says a lot

Rudy Webster "Come on down" I went to him once on former players recommendations, He almost fixed me almost !

It'll be interesting to see what people thought of Grimes game.

He is closing on a hundred games but I still don't trust him as he panics or make bad decisions/execution.

I don't trust Garland, Watts, Dawes, Lumumba.

That's 5 senior players. Good luck young fellas

they should all go ASAP.

It's increasingly obvious we have barely improved; rather, other teams just got substantially worse for extenuating circumstances. Brisbane and Gold Coast's awful injury lists and Essendon's WADA capitulation.

Ironically enough, the only list I consider genuinely worse than ours (and appropriately places lower than us on the ladder) is Carlton, so naturally they destroyed us today. Go [censored] figure. Even the Saints have well and truly lapped us after last year's wooden spoon and now sit comfortably above us on percentage.

24.7 to 4.7 the total of our first half scores the last 2 games.

Says a lot

We are no better than 2007-2014

This is Fitzroy II. The club is trying to die.

It's increasingly obvious we have barely improved; rather, other teams just got substantially worse for extenuating circumstances. Brisbane and Gold Coast's awful injury lists and Essendon's WADA capitulation.

Ironically enough, the only list I consider genuinely worse than ours (and thus, fittingly, a place lower than us on the ladder) is Carlton, and naturally they destroyed us today. Go [censored] figure.

Our best can still beat 14 other sides. Our worst will see us lose to 17 teams. Nothing has changed since last week on that front.

I fear for membership next year though and it's unlikely we'll be able to attract many (if any) decent recruits. On the back of the last two weeks, I worry it's completely shattered our otherwise promising chances of landing a few decent players.