No need for Jamar. If we lose because Gawn gets tired then so be it, it's the best development for him having to guts it out. He took on 2 rucks against the Pies and whilst Goldstein might do more than 2 Pies rucks combined the ability to work head to head against 1 guy might make it easier.

Take your pick out of Michie, Newton or Matt Jones for the last bench spot. I'd probably stick with Michie but I'm not sure it's the right call.

Couldn't agree more 'George', it's about development now and Max up against the best in the biz can only be a benefit.

I was at training this morning,vandenBerg came off the ground not being able to walk on his right foot.It looked pretty bad from what I could see.Don't be surprised if he is not playing on Sunday.

I was at training this morning,vandenBerg came off the ground not being able to walk on his right foot.It looked pretty bad from what I could see.Don't be surprised if he is not playing on Sunday.

Bum

If Jamar could replace Dawes as a solid lead up forward, he'd fill the role as back up ruck well, but yet to see Mark be able to play that role...

yet to see Dawes fill that roll as well

Vandenberg out of the squad of 25.

Stretch into the squad.

Vanders out of the squad, Stretch into the squad.

Newton will come in now for Vanders.

Any idea on how serious Vburg is? Hoping Newton can nail down a spot with an extended run.

I was at training this morning,vandenBerg came off the ground not being able to walk on his right foot.It looked pretty bad from what I could see.Don't be surprised if he is not playing on Sunday.

Do you mean "foot" as in "ankle", or "foot" as in "navicular"???

Any idea on how serious Vburg is? Hoping Newton can nail down a spot with an extended run.

From what I saw at training,he couldn't walk by himself and was driven away.

That's a massive loss, hopefully it isn't too serious.

Vandenberg out of the squad of 25.

Stretch into the squad.

bugger! bugger!

Do you mean "foot" as in "ankle", or "foot" as in "navicular"???

Sorry I couldn't really tell.He was taken into the marquee set up they have there at Gosch's so I couldn't see as he was being looked at.

Don't worry.. Matt Jones has got this..

Eveyone's favourite player in Matt Jones is back.

Edited August 7, 201510 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

considering Gawn will need help it the Ruck & marks inside 50 will be our only hope, Russian not only must play but he will be important

considering Gawn will need help it the Ruck & marks inside 50 will be our only hope, Russian not only must play but he will be important

He's only an emergency.

A kid at school asked me today who my favourite player was - I said Vanders. Tough, tackles like a machine, relishes the opportunity to pull on a jumper and is fearless.

Matt Jones - would not have been my choice. Juice Newton would have been or the Stretch boy.

We know Matt Jones is no good. Newton, Toumpas and Stretch may come good.

We're not going to play finals so surely you play one of them rather than one you know isn't going to be on the list in 2 years time?

Ridiculous.

No need for Jamar. If we lose because Gawn gets tired then so be it, it's the best development for him having to guts it out. He took on 2 rucks against the Pies and whilst Goldstein might do more than 2 Pies rucks combined the ability to work head to head against 1 guy might make it easier.

Take your pick out of Michie, Newton or Matt Jones for the last bench spot. I'd probably stick with Michie but I'm not sure it's the right call.

Absolutely.

Looks like the selectors agree too....barring a last minute change

On the other hand, if we lose because Petrie & Brown are too big & strong for T.Mac, Dunn & Garlo, it's a classic selection stuff-up that's totally avoidable.

I must say these particular match ups would seem to be just made for Fitzy.

I guess, one way or the other, this will be discussed again furiously post match, with one group saying absolutely right and another absolutely wrong. Gotta love this site.

PS. Bugger re vanders. Hope it isn't anything serious - the site would go into meltdown with demands for Missen's sacking or execution if it is.

Go Dees.

Edited August 7, 201510 yr by monoccular

Couldn't agree more 'George', it's about development now and Max up against the best in the biz can only be a benefit.

It's not about Gawn being developed - every week now since Rd 11 he's been getting developed and has been going great.

Nor is it about Dawes having to go up against Brown and getting spanked because he's 8cm shorter or against Petrie because he's 5cm shorter.

It is about going into a game against a side that has since 2006 just bullied us into submission.

Our selectors have ignored the fact that they have gone big (Hawthorn and Freo and WC also play two rucks) and assumed that we can just go small and it won't hurt us - a bit like going to England and not playing a seamer.

Even worse now is that we've lost a mid-forward in Vanders who is tall and physical and effectively replaced him with a mid in Michie who is smallish and classy, but definitely not physical (Matt Jones will be the sub).

I was really looking forward to this game because I thought we had a genuine chance to match them and not be brutalised.

But I can see it happening again once our initial confidence dries up.

Of course, Roosy may have the last laugh if it rains heavily and their bigs are rendered impotent, but my suspicion is that Gawny will be attacked physically all day and will tire and if he has to go off, then great, we can play Matt Jones in the ruck because he has as much chance as Dawes or T-Mac have of getting a tap.

Fitzy deserved a game and is still being punished for playing tunnel ball.

Fitzy deserved a game and is still being punished for playing tunnel ball.

I very much doubt any footy club would do that. One brain fade should not in itself end a career.

It's not about Gawn being developed - every week now since Rd 11 he's been getting developed and has been going great.

Nor is it about Dawes having to go up against Brown and getting spanked because he's 8cm shorter or against Petrie because he's 5cm shorter.

It is about going into a game against a side that has since 2006 just bullied us into submission.

Our selectors have ignored the fact that they have gone big (Hawthorn and Freo and WC also play two rucks) and assumed that we can just go small and it won't hurt us - a bit like going to England and not playing a seamer.

Even worse now is that we've lost a mid-forward in Vanders who is tall and physical and effectively replaced him with a mid in Michie who is smallish and classy, but definitely not physical (Matt Jones will be the sub).

I was really looking forward to this game because I thought we had a genuine chance to match them and not be brutalised.

But I can see it happening again once our initial confidence dries up.

Of course, Roosy may have the last laugh if it rains heavily and their bigs are rendered impotent, but my suspicion is that Gawny will be attacked physically all day and will tire and if he has to go off, then great, we can play Matt Jones in the ruck because he has as much chance as Dawes or T-Mac have of getting a tap.

Fitzy deserved a game and is still being punished for playing tunnel ball.

no rain sat/sun forecast. sun max 16c

Vanders was ordinary against St Kilda, but brilliant last week. He really sets the tone and his hardness is so important. A big loss this weekend. Hope Gus and Viney can pick up some of the slack.

vandenberg is a big loss. Big body who just sees the ball and goes for it and is a strong tackler.