On 14/06/2015 at 11:40, jnrmac said:

Poor coaching.

We did NOT lose because of the coaching. We should never have been in the position of having to defend a 4 point lead in the first place.

The "blame Roos" argument is just lazy and superficial. Paul Roos is NOT why we're losing games we should and could win.

"PAUL Roos has taken responsibility for Melbourne’s heartbreaking loss on Sunday as it emerged a communication breakdown may have cost the Dees in the final minute.

Midfielder Bernie Vince admitted he thought minutes remained on the clock when the final siren sounded."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-14/communication-breakdown-cost-dees-in-final-seconds?utm_medium=RSS

  On 14/06/2015 at 11:25, Sir Why You Little said:

This is your answer...Not the coaches box

Do you think with 30 seconds to go the players need the coach to tell them what to do? Thats what on field leadership is about. No one told anyone to roll back.

  On 14/06/2015 at 12:21, Je Roos Salem said:

"PAUL Roos has taken responsibility for Melbourne’s heartbreaking loss on Sunday as it emerged a communication breakdown may have cost the Dees in the final minute.

Midfielder Bernie Vince admitted he thought minutes remained on the clock when the final siren sounded."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-14/communication-breakdown-cost-dees-in-final-seconds?utm_medium=RSS

  On 14/06/2015 at 11:56, bing181 said:

We did NOT lose because of the coaching. We should never have been in the position of having to defend a 4 point lead in the first place.

The "blame Roos" argument is just lazy and superficial. Paul Roos is NOT why we're losing games we should and could win.

Well Bing The coach thinks they lost because of the coach. How do you like them apples?

Time and time again we become slack in the final two minutes of any quarter and let the opposition kick goals. Today was no different. Hope they address this issue sooner.

Not Roosy's fault. He was yelling down the phone to get guys back.

Footy 101: four points up with 40 secs left... flood the backline.

Dumb footballers, lack of leadership on field.

Now here's some lateral thinking on my behalf.

Surely the club can purchase some new Apple Watches for our drinks carriers and relay messages to them via their watch.

Would this be deemed on field coaching outside of runners and therefore illegal?

I think it was just a stuff up and poor composure.

  On 14/06/2015 at 12:31, jnrmac said:

Well Bing The coach thinks they lost because of the coach. How do you like them apples?

do you expect Paul Roos to say our players are dumb?

Clangers and turnovers cost us the game imo

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:37, fired up said:

why would you not instruct after Howe kicking goal to all flood back?

And last week not manning up loose man, I think the match day coaching is pretty dam average.

I think you're all fired up over nothing...

Could it have been that the 3/4 time instructions were to flood the back line, but if we got ahead, to go man-on-man???

And if the players thought there were still a few minutes to go, then that's what they did.

And Roos only realised what was happening once they started to line up for the bounce after Howe's goal.

  On 14/06/2015 at 13:00, Moonshadow said:

Not Roosy's fault. He was yelling down the phone to get guys back.

Footy 101: four points up with 40 secs left... flood the backline.

Dumb footballers, lack of leadership on field.

To wait until 40s to go to get the message across of remaining time is unforgivable. The players should have known with at least two minutes to go of the remaining time. Massive [censored] up by Roos/assistants/runner.

  On 14/06/2015 at 14:46, 1858 said:

To wait until 40s to go to get the message across of remaining time is unforgivable. The players should have known with at least two minutes to go of the remaining time. Massive [censored] up by Roos/assistants/runner.

Can you imagine if we made the same error in a final?

Well at least thats one thing we will never need to worry about

  On 14/06/2015 at 15:14, hogans_heroes said:

Can you imagine if we made the same error in a final?

Well at least thats one thing we will never need to worry about

I won't be around by the next time we make finals unfortunately.

I'm in my 30s.

  On 14/06/2015 at 14:46, 1858 said:

To wait until 40s to go to get the message across of remaining time is unforgivable. The players should have known with at least two minutes to go of the remaining time. Massive [censored] up by Roos/assistants/runner.

Gullible?

This whole "they didn't know how much time was left" is just some spin cooked up to protect the players. Roos didn't even mention it in the press conference, even though he was specifically asked about the final moments. It's something that came out later on.

It saves people asking why Nathan Jones wasn't in the centre for that last ballup, or why the leaders (cough cough) didn't organise the players to get behind the ball etc. etc.

Roos (and the club) is just covering for his team - well, in public anyway, but the players know that they stuffed up.

Everyone knew how much time was left, including the players on the field - it's partly why there was so much celebrating after Howe's goal - with under a minute to go, they thought they'd won it. Roos was screaming into the phone to get them back ... even if the runner wasn't around, the bench was close enough to communicate with the players onfield.

Hard lesson, but the players won't let that happen again. Hopefully.

  On 14/06/2015 at 13:42, Norm Smith said:

Clangers and turnovers cost us the game imo

Corrected.

  On 14/06/2015 at 12:31, jnrmac said:

Well Bing The coach thinks they lost because of the coach. How do you like them apples?

In public, he's doing what he's supposed to, protecting his players.

Smart man. Says what he needs to say.

As a consequence, I'll bet that not a single player will be asked by a journalist why they didn't flood back after the Howe goal.

  On 14/06/2015 at 18:42, bing181 said:

Gullible?

This whole "they didn't know how much time was left" is just some spin cooked up to protect the players. Roos didn't even mention it in the press conference, even though he was specifically asked about the final moments. It's something that came out later on.

It saves people asking why Nathan Jones wasn't in the centre for that last ballup, or why the leaders (cough cough) didn't organise the players to get behind the ball etc. etc.

Roos (and the club) is just covering for his team - well, in public anyway, but the players know that they stuffed up.

Everyone knew how much time was left, including the players on the field - it's partly why there was so much celebrating after Howe's goal - with under a minute to go, they thought they'd won it. Roos was screaming into the phone to get them back ... even if the runner wasn't around, the bench was close enough to communicate with the players onfield.

Hard lesson, but the players won't let that happen again. Hopefully.

Unfortunately we do let things like this happen over and over again.

Our leaders are to blame from what I am read happened as I didn't see it.

Smart players would have gone back into defence, to flood the backline, stopping a quick shot,as it would have been hard to find a loose forward and forcing any shot to be from outside say 60 and likely to be taken away by a loose defender or at the least causing a stoppage. The leaders should have told the others what to do.

The best mids should have gone into the middle and if nothing else, forced a couple of more stoppages after the goal ball up. That would have seen the game out. That is what smart teams do. We are not a smart team, clearly.

I am certain Roos would have told them this over the pre season and during the game.

Every Coach would send players back in the same situation and I am sure Roos tried to.

Too many of our players turn the ball over and in critical situations and especially close to the opposition goals, when a long kick along the boundary is still a reasonable opposition if you can't find a clear player to pass to.

IMO we have too many dumb footballers. We also have far too many poorly skilled footballers. That is the main reason we lose games.

Not having players forward of the ball to kick it to cost us the game.

This resulted in so many unnecessary turnovers.

Coaching staff error for me.

I refuse to believe the players knew there were 40 seconds left and elected not to flood back. I cannot accept that experienced players like Cross and Lumumba wouldn't have called others back if they knew how long was left. 10-year olds know to do that. These blokes are experienced AFL players.

Lynch may have confirmed that the message went out with 40 seconds to go but it was too late then. The mistake was not alerting the players when there were 2-3 minutes left.

I don't think I've ever seen a team hit the lead in the last minute and retain a 6 man forward line. It simply has to be because the players were unaware how much time was left.

This was the coaching version of Fitzy's tunnel ball.

Did anyone hear the '5 mins to go' siren warning..

It still happens at the MCG and thought it mandatory at all grounds.

If it went off then players have no excuse for thinking there was 4/5 min on the clock.

Surely one of the leaders heard it.

  On 14/06/2015 at 21:52, Lucifer said:

Did anyone hear the '5 mins to go' siren warning..

It still happens at the MCG and thought it mandatory at all grounds.

If it went off then players have no excuse for thinking there was 4/5 min on the clock.

Surely one of the leaders heard it.

Siren??? What???

The only five min warning I've ever known was on channel 10's coverage.

Even if we assume the players didn't know it was only 40 seconds remaining, why did they need to be told? Howe's goal was the first of the quarter. If not 40 seconds, the players should have known it was nearly finished and someone needed to stand up on field and lead.

And how did St Kila's players know? They don't get secret messages, their runners must have been out there telling their players - we didn't listen?

If the truth is that we didn't have our runner out there during Howe's set shot telling them how long was left, that's an embarrassing fail from the club. But regardless, our lack of instincive understanding and leadership from our players is just as concerning.

  On 14/06/2015 at 22:02, Gorgoroth said:

Siren??? What???

The only five min warning I've ever known was on channel 10's coverage.

Gee, that was a long time ago...don't know what I was thinking!

Maybe the AFL should introduce one at the ground!