gutted. Stupid play, how could these guys not know they had to close down the st Kilda forward line after the Howe goal. How dumb are they..... Against Collingwood last week Collingwood kicked it around and around the back line in the last 5 or 10 minutes because these guys could not man up. far too many players not capable of putting 4 quarters together. Too many dumb, dumb dumb mistakes.

Roos just absolutely let rip at the leaders apparently, one silly brain fade has undone all the good work before it

A game lost at selection. We needed at least one more tall, probably Fitzpatrick. We could not move the ball out of defence because we didnot have another tall to spread from Gawn and make a second option. Our movement was far too predictable

I can't fathom how a side can load up their defensive 50 for a whole quarter, and then when finally hitting the lead with under a minute left, MATCHING UP EVENLY OVER THE GROUND. IT'S NOT MOTHERF'IN NETBALL. Was Roos napping? Do the players just not care?

Or is Roos still telling the players not to look at the scoreboard?

Utterly pathetic from us. We were lucky to even get the lead, our fitness was being exposed and then once I saw our setup from that final bounce I could just see us getting screwed.

I am yet to be convinced that we want to win games. Cannot explain that garbage in another way

Angry and devastated at the same time.

Even worse when I saw the AFL headline.

Never mind showing a picture of the Saints upset to happy, they have to pick on Toumpas again. Very original.

The boundary line game plan has made the players too hesitant to use the corridor when it's on. The few times we use the middle the receiving player immediately looks to go wide for a switch rather than the direct route. That's why our disposal count is so high while our inside 50s are so low. The game plan itself is not fully to blame, but the problem is the players have no idea when it's ok to use the middle.

This is not a good team we lost to. Apologists can stop patting the young kids on the back. Yeah we have some young talent, but we've always had young talent, it doesn't mean we're getting better.

Can not believe some people are still saying we will win 8 games this year after we've just lost to St Kilda. What other 5 teams are we going to beat? Open your eyes.

(Just got home.. If soneone has beat me to it I apologise)

This one hurt the most...

Why oh why did you not drop Everyone who was not in the square behind the ball Rooos!!!

Yeah about 50 or 60 people beat ya to it. Roos was screaming down the phone to push numbers back. I cant understand people blaming Roos for this. The leadership group are the ones that should be taking the heat.

Weve got McCartney sitting on the bench, surely he should been onto this before Roos even picked up the phone.

I can't fathom how a side can load up their defensive 50 for a whole quarter, and then when finally hitting the lead with under a minute left, MATCHING UP EVENLY OVER THE GROUND. IT'S NOT MOTHERF'IN NETBALL. Was Roos napping? Do the players just not care?

Or is Roos still telling the players not to look at the scoreboard?

Utterly pathetic from us. We were lucky to even get the lead, our fitness was being exposed and then once I saw our setup from that final bounce I could just see us getting screwed.

I am yet to be convinced that we want to win games. Cannot explain that garbage in another way

its got me stuffed.

Richardson beat Roos today....simple as. One bloke used what he had at hand much cleverer than the other.

I can't fathom how a side can load up their defensive 50 for a whole quarter, and then when finally hitting the lead with under a minute left, MATCHING UP EVENLY OVER THE GROUND. IT'S NOT MOTHERF'IN NETBALL. Was Roos napping? Do the players just not care?

Or is Roos still telling the players not to look at the scoreboard?

Utterly pathetic from us. We were lucky to even get the lead, our fitness was being exposed and then once I saw our setup from that final bounce I could just see us getting screwed.

I am yet to be convinced that we want to win games. Cannot explain that garbage in another way

Roos was screaming on the phone for players to get back before the final bounce. It was the on field leaders who fell over at this point.

Youd think the $1.5 milllon per year supercoach would have drilled decent skills into the side by now and cut dumb mistakes out of our game

If you don't have the skills in the first place, you're not going to get very far. It's not Roos' fault. The players continue to refuse to work hard and run and spread. It's a lack of courage that kills us every week. It's why we have to handball round in circles each week. I've no doubt Roos is teaching the players better decision making, but some of them just don't have it in them to execute. You only have to look at guys like Brayshaw. He just makes the right decision nearly every time. Some have it, some don't.

To be honest I thought st Kilda played better football all day, we were crap for most of the day but put in a few brief good passages that usually ended up on with Hogan. We handpassed and handpassed back and forth between ourselves and constantly got caught. We had players try to take on the opposition players and constantly lost, Mcdonald really runs around like a headless chook at times same with HL gotta run no matter what. Far too many players are far to slow at moving the ball on, or just kicking it long to nothing.... sickening to watch.

We played a woeful brand of football most of the day. Though those few moments when we played well it looked fantastic. But sadly far too many stupid mistakes, hopefully one day these guys will get sick enough loosing to actually put in that extra effort.

Yeah about 50 or 60 people beat ya to it. Roos was screaming down the phone to push numbers back. I cant understand people blaming Roos for this. The leadership group are the ones that should be taking the heat.

Weve got McCartney sitting on the bench, surely he should been onto this before Roos even picked up the phone.

ill tell you why I blame Roos...a million Plus Reasons.

Why ARENT players listening, why aren't they doing what asked ?

St kilda followed their instructions. Ours do thir "own" thang !!

Eventually the buck has to stop in the box...so I put it there for now ....

Please explain !!!!!!

And can I just say, Jeremy Howe was appalling today. I watched him jog right in front of me in the last quarter, when a St Kilda player sprinted past him. He's the sort of player that we need to trade desperately. I think they will pull the trigger at the end of the year. I'm not sure Howe's checked out. I think he's just a lazy, has it all on his terms, sort of footballer. Blokes like him will take us nowhere. I'd prefer to see him never play again, but that would obviously lessen his trade value.

its got me stuffed.

Richardson beat Roos today....simple as. One bloke used what he had at hand much cleverer than the other.

We didn't lose due to the coach, we lost as the put on far more pressure, that is why we have so many handballs. We couldn't match up to the pressure they applied, which was good pressure. Not much Roos can do other than tell the players to pressure in return, which they didn't.

Roos was screaming on the phone for players to get back before the final bounce. It was the on field leaders who fell over at this point.

Our leaders remind me of Joh Bjelke Peterson!

"Don't you worry about that , I have that covered!"

Only they didn't!

Don't think the loss matters as much as the fact we couldn't bury them after we got 2 goals up. We should never have been in that position at the end against St Kilda. That was what was even more disappointing to me.

ill tell you why I blame Roos...a million Plus Reasons.

Why ARENT players listening, why aren't they doing what asked ?

St kilda followed their instructions. Ours do thir "own" thang !!

Eventually the buck has to stop in the box...so I put it there for now ....

Please explain !!!!!!

Which players did you specifically identify?

Jack's silly punch?

Gawn's stupid tap out?

Riley bombing it long?

ill tell you why I blame Roos...a million Plus Reasons.

Why ARENT players listening, why aren't they doing what asked ?

St kilda followed their instructions. Ours do thir "own" thang !!

Eventually the buck has to stop in the box...so I put it there for now ....

Please explain !!!!!!

Oh please Roos should not have to tell them the bleeding obvious. Same as don't bomb it long to the forward line, yet the continue to do so. Dumb footballers who have seldom been in the position of being ahead. We had the same problem last year where we should have killed the clock in the last few seconds of the game but gave it up and lost that too. They have been told, they just don't pay attention.

The boundary line game plan has made the players too hesitant to use the corridor when it's on. The few times we use the middle the receiving player immediately looks to go wide for a switch rather than the direct route. That's why our disposal count is so high while our inside 50s are so low. The game plan itself is not fully to blame, but the problem is the players have no idea when it's ok to use the middle.

This is not a good team we lost to. Apologists can stop patting the young kids on the back. Yeah we have some young talent, but we've always had young talent, it doesn't mean we're getting better.

Can not believe some people are still saying we will win 8 games this year after we've just lost to St Kilda. What other 5 teams are we going to beat? Open your eyes.

'Apologists' can stop patting the young kids on the back?

First of all, why is someone an 'apologist' for supporting our kids? Second, what is wrong with supporting the kids?

The kids aren't the problem, the senior players are. I don't really care how many touches Jones or Vince got, or whether Dunn held Bruce, their lack of leadership is horrendous (not just today, all season) and that's the reason we're losing. It's not the kids. Quite clearly we are being held back by the lack of leadership.

As for the ball movement, the problem is primarily personnel. We carry unskilled players (Riley, Michie), but more than that we don't run hard enough for long enough. Whether that's fitness, work ethic, confidence, or a combination of those things, we regularly do not have players making space forward of the ball. When we do, we actually look great. But that happens far too irregularly.

Roos was screaming on the phone for players to get back before the final bounce. It was the on field leaders who fell over at this point.

Then I'm gonna have to be more selective about when I praise Nathan Jones. All his hard work amounts to nothing when he can't lead us to victories

i hate stuff.

We didn't lose due to the coach, we lost as the put on far more pressure, that is why we have so many handballs. We couldn't match up to the pressure they applied, which was good pressure. Not much Roos can do other than tell the players to pressure in return, which they didn't.

They were able to put on such effective pressure because they knew we would just go boundary every time and would be too scared to use the middle. Everyone knows where our kicks are going every time. Pressure isn't just random like "put on more pressure", you have to know where and how, and we are extremely predictable in that manner. Doesn't anyone ever wonder why we are constantly kicking to outnumbered contests?

And can I just say, Jeremy Howe was appalling today. I watched him jog right in front of me in the last quarter, when a St Kilda player sprinted past him. He's the sort of player that we need to trade desperately. I think they will pull the trigger at the end of the year. I'm not sure Howe's checked out. I think he's just a lazy, has it all on his terms, sort of footballer. Blokes like him will take us nowhere. I'd prefer to see him never play again, but that would obviously lessen his trade value.

Extremely disappointed in Howes effort today, I don't think he does enough around the ground, he does not seem to have a lot of second efforts. I had hoped his stint down back had improved his appetite to chase the ball, but it does not appear to have.

but more than that we don't run hard enough for long enough. Whether that's fitness, work ethic, confidence, or a combination of those things, we regularly do not have players making space forward of the ball.

Lack of heart.

i hate stuff.

Probably the only post on here that I agree with.