Adam Goodes

[daisycutter 29,737]

A very inclusive quote. About what you'd expect from that particular institution - only ignored about half the population.

do i detect a little anglican catholic rivalry there, bbo?

[beelzebub 23,383]

Can't believe I've 'liked' posts from you twice tonight Uncle Bitter. Need to drink more.....

you needed an excuse ??

[nrc73 77]

The Richmond onballer has been issued with a $2000 suspended fine for his controversial handcuffs gesture during Sunday's elimination final loss to Carlton at the MCG

AFL football manager Mark Evans announced on Wednesday night the League had fined the midfielder, suspended for two years, meaning the player won't have to part with any money unless he re-offends.

Evans says the league is keen to stamp out controversial on-field gestures

"We haven't fined or sanctioned in the past for this, but it's got to the point where we're really saying to all players that we don't want these sorts of gestures."

"There will be a portion of our audience or crowd who are upset by it, and we just think it's best left somewhere else."

That's a very timely quote. It effectively says, "we don't like controversial post goal celebrations, except when it comes from Australian of the Year. He has license to do what he wants, how he wants.". People love sport because they like to believe the rules will be universally applied. Onya AFL.

Edited June 1, 2015 by nrc73

[beelzebub 23,383]

Forget the name Andrew Bolt, the real article is from Anthony Dillon, a part Aboriginal.

Comes closer to identifying what may be at the heart of the matter, what's really bothering people - deliberately playing the victim game, rather than seeking empowerment.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_goodes_case_hurt_feelings_are_not_proof_of_a_crime/

shhhhhh.... that wont do. !!! To me an irony is that those who would have us understand the plight ( and make no bones there is one ) of indigenous is singular. Thats stereotyping and of itself racist. There are many many stories to understand and many are different. They are of people. When we quit with the 'labels' we might start getting somewhere. Until then much rhetoric is of band sitting , barrow pushing wannabes. There are many causes and many in need of help. For mine the Goodes of the world dont help, they hinder

[Moonshadow 17,677]

Forget the name Andrew Bolt, the real article is from Anthony Dillon, a part Aboriginal.

Comes closer to identifying what may be at the heart of the matter, what's really bothering people - deliberately playing the victim game, rather than seeking empowerment.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_goodes_case_hurt_feelings_are_not_proof_of_a_crime/

Don't you think perhaps Adam Goodes was showing that he feels empowered when he did the war dance? And inspiring others to be empowered? He did it as a show of respect for the under 16 Indiginous kids who showed it to him during the week. That's what he said and we owe it to take him at his word.

And asking us to forget that your link was blogged by Bolt is not acceptable, given that he is a serial denier and his stance is evident from the start. Note the litigation disclaimer at the end

Edited June 1, 2015 by Moonshadow

[Little Goffy 14,639]

I'd feel Irish. Which my blood is. Next.

Lol.

I think it would be appropriate to have a national day to celebrate your culture.

Someone should give you your country back.

Maybe Australia should set up a whole network of religiously segregated schools just to protect Irish culture from being assimilated into the mainstream Anglo-dominated British culture?

All we need now is to test how people react to some Irish guy using a football event to show off their cultural heritage with some kind of dance.

Sheesh.

Turns out what Aboriginal Australians should be doing is waging a campaign of terrorist bombings for half a century AFTER getting their lands back and regaining total control of their own laws and customs.

[Gator 17,449]

I'd like to withdraw my comment re the Stolen Generations "myth". Facts are I'm nowhere near well read or qualified to make those assertions. I do fear that there was in fact government policy in parts of Australia to remove half castes from their families and I suspect it was sometimes under the guise that they were protecting children, when this may not always have been the case. I also suspect there are exaggerations made as to the level of these atrocities and perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between.

[deefrag 277]

Lol.

I think it would be appropriate to have a national day to celebrate your culture.

Someone should give you your country back.

Maybe Australia should set up a whole network of religiously segregated schools just to protect Irish culture from being assimilated into the mainstream Anglo-dominated British culture?

All we need now is to test how people react to some Irish guy using a football event to show off their cultural heritage with some kind of dance.

Sheesh.

Turns out what Aboriginal Australians should be doing is waging a campaign of terrorist bombings for half a century AFTER getting their lands back and regaining total control of their own laws and customs.

[beelzebub 23,383]

brave...lol

[PaulRB 6,411]

I'd like to withdraw my comment re the Stolen Generations "myth". Facts are I'm nowhere near well read or qualified to make those assertions. I do fear that there was in fact government policy in parts of Australia to remove half castes from their families and I suspect it was sometimes under the guise that they were protecting children, when this may not always have been the case. I also suspect there are exaggerations made as to the level of these atrocities and perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between.

Well done ProDee - this link to the Australian Human Rights Commission site might illuminate you as to the stolen Generation - Timeline - History of separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families

Edited June 1, 2015 by PaulRB

[daisycutter 29,737]

disdn't realise od was that old

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

Turns out what Aboriginal Australians should be doing is waging a campaign of terrorist bombings for half a century AFTER getting their lands back and regaining total control of their own laws and customs.

That's hugely disingenuous, Chris. A question was asked and a question was answered.

And very disappointing that that the best you could come up with a bunch of 'Irish are bomb making terrorists'

Hyperbole adds nothing to the discussion.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,246]

do i detect a little anglican catholic rivalry there, bbo?

Well i have to pull my head in on this one dc. The Catholic child molesters are definitely outgunning the Anglicans at the moment, however, I'm sure they'll make a comeback!

[daisycutter 29,737]

Well i have to pull my head in on this one dc. The Catholic child molesters are definitely outgunning the Anglicans at the moment, however, I'm sure they'll make a comeback!

i wonder if the bishop of rome has considered taking a leaf out of imperial china and insisting on priests being eunuchs, seeing as how marriage is apparently a bridge too far?

[Biffen 12,947]

We are going to some strange places here.

I am tolerant of certain freedoms.

But WTF is this.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Don't you think perhaps Adam Goodes was showing that he feels empowered when he did the war dance? And inspiring others to be empowered? He did it as a show of respect for the under 16 Indiginous kids who showed it to him during the week. That's what he said and we owe it to take him at his word.

And asking us to forget that your link was blogged by Bolt is not acceptable, given that he is a serial denier and his stance is evident from the start. Note the litigation disclaimer at the end

Actually, think the kids made up the dance in 2009, is why I find the timing of the "war cry" a bit odd.

That said, I had wanted to avoid the thread, maybe it's best I blend in.....

Just another reminder of why I was happy to leave Australia, though the racism on display by a few here is quite minor to that I have experienced and witnessed while working around my country that I was once so proud of and loved so much.

It's amazing how much more you experience once you go from being a white Christian, to a Muslim (not that you would know it from meeting me) in an interracial marriage...

[btdemon 482]

The racism displayed here is not 'mild' racism, it is racism. Adam Goodes is well within his rights to use his position to to bring awareness to the plight of indigenous Australians. His dance was an expression of pride in his culture, that's all. Get over it!

This reminds me of what happens when a representative of any repressed culture stands up proudly for his people. The people in the advantaged position don't like it and instinctively argue to discredit it. Think of the response to Muhammad Ali, who spoke out for his people and refused to play the well-behaved but benign African-American. He is seen as a hero now but at the time he was hated.

Turn over to Q&A right now and hear some thoughtful analyse about this.

The fact is, the indigenous culture in Australia has been discriminated systematically throughout our history. It continues to happen and this ridiculous response to Adam Goodes display of pride clearly illustrates this.

Edited June 1, 2015 by btdemon

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

The Richmond onballer has been issued with a $2000 suspended fine for his controversial handcuffs gesture during Sunday's elimination final loss to Carlton at the MCG

AFL football manager Mark Evans announced on Wednesday night the League had fined the midfielder, suspended for two years, meaning the player won't have to part with any money unless he re-offends.

Evans says the league is keen to stamp out controversial on-field gestures

"We haven't fined or sanctioned in the past for this, but it's got to the point where we're really saying to all players that we don't want these sorts of gestures."

"There will be a portion of our audience or crowd who are upset by it, and we just think it's best left somewhere else."

I don't mind the handcuff gesture at all. On Dusty and Jake King, bracelets are quite chic.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

We are going to some strange places here.

I am tolerant of certain freedoms.

But WTF is this.

Biff please show OD more respect. He is a stalwart of D'land and should be given all the freedoms he wants on here!

[jackaub 1,402]

When I read the last 19 pages I now know exactly why we haven't moved on as a cohesive one people or made any progress on this issue

[stuie 7,374]

I'd like to withdraw my comment re the Stolen Generations "myth". Facts are I'm nowhere near well read or qualified to make those assertions. I do fear that there was in fact government policy in parts of Australia to remove half castes from their families and I suspect it was sometimes under the guise that they were protecting children, when this may not always have been the case. I also suspect there are exaggerations made as to the level of these atrocities and perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between.

Ugh... You nearly made it through a whole post as a reasonable person but you tripped over at the finish line

[Gator 17,449]

Ugh... You nearly made it through a whole post as a reasonable person but you tripped over at the finish line

I suspect it won't shock you to know that I have zero interest in your vapid opinions of me.

Child abuse is a serious problem today in some remote Aboriginal communities. Unfortunately this sad state of affairs is virtually never mentioned by those that want to paint Australia as an extremely racist country. It's a problem today, as it was 100 years ago.

It makes utter sense to me that some children over the decades have been spared more abuse by removing them from dangerous situations. But being able to identify all child removal as racist government policy versus some child removal for protection purposes would blur the lines, in my opinion.

Naturally, there are bellicose bloviators like you, who want to scream that everything is either black or white.

[nrc73 77]

Don't you think perhaps Adam Goodes was showing that he feels empowered when he did the war dance? And inspiring others to be empowered? He did it as a show of respect for the under 16 Indiginous kids who showed it to him during the week. That's what he said and we owe it to take him at his word.

And asking us to forget that your link was blogged by Bolt is not acceptable, given that he is a serial denier and his stance is evident from the start. Note the litigation disclaimer at the end

It's a case of 'right idea, wrong execution'. Here's the part I don't get - Shaun Burgoyne made comment that while he's good friends with Goodes and they do a lot of work in their communities together, he said 'Goodes isn't a good dancer'. I want to see Indigenous AFL players put on a great dance not just for my entertainment, but because I'm envious that the kiwi's get to regularly enjoy the strong culture of their own Indigenous people, to see that pride.. Maybe such a display of unity would be massively good for our Aboriginal culture, too.

Someone said that it's be too hard to get the Indigenous players from all club to assemble for the opening night of Indigenous round, but like almost everything in life big achievements are hard won.

Edited June 1, 2015 by nrc73

[Fork 'em 6,991]

White racially divisive man .... Bad.
Aboriginal racially divisive man ..... Good.

[stuie 7,374]

I suspect it won't shock you to know that I have zero interest in your vapid opinions of me.

Child abuse is a serious problem today in some remote Aboriginal communities. Unfortunately this sad state of affairs is virtually never mentioned by those that want to paint Australia as an extremely racist country. It's a problem today, as it was 100 years ago.

It makes utter sense to me that some children over the decades have been spared more abuse by removing them from dangerous situations. But being able to identify all child removal as racist government policy versus some child removal for protection purposes would blur the lines, in my opinion.

Naturally, there are bellicose bloviators like you, who want to scream that everything is either black or white.

You claimed the stolen generation was a myth. You then retracted that and said you didn't really know anything about it. You then said (despite the fact you clearly know nothing about the topic and have admitted as such) that you think the whole thing was overblown.

Back to the Bolt blog ProDee.