I know elements of ASADA's argument were based on the symptoms and results being consistent with TB4 and not with Thymomodulin, i think that in itself is a pretty powerful argument

It makes me furious that the media is happy to bleat out EFC's cries about being "blindsided" and "surprised" by the appeal.

They knew it was coming, its the EFC PR Machine working overtime to always play the victim.

There are 2 things that I would like to know. 1. Will the CAS hearing be an open court where we will for the first time hear all the evidence? 2. Can witnesses be subpoenaed this time?

Edited May 12, 201510 yr by djr

Now a contribution to Chapter 3 or is it 4.

Congrats to those who emailed to WADA and those who had conviction.

We are in new territory here. There are big organizations that are under pressure here and they will not like it.

To name a few: Sponsors the AFL and Work cover

The book "Glory and Fame: the rise and rise of the Essendon football Club" is on the remainder table outside the Gisborne news agency for $12.95, down from $39.95.

Two copies left so be quick (no, I didn't purchase a copy).

I wonder what David Evans is thinking about this? If Hird and the rest of his mates acted like Evans all of this would be over by now.

Even Hird might have recovered from this. Everyone makes mistakes and maybe people could understand that he lost his way trying to get an edge over the competition, served his punishment and became a better person for it.

Hird was one of my favourite non Melbourne players (probably more about watching him play) I find it hard to even look at him now with the way he has responded in all of this. You find out a great deal about someone in adversity.

And I wont even start on Tim Watson - he has a son involved in this, but his reputation and club are more important, clearly

David Evans did the honourable thing, its hard to say that about the rest of them

Interesting to browse the Declaration of Helsinki which govern human experimentation

Parts of the summary include

Research should be based on a thorough knowledge of the scientific background (Article 11), a careful assessment of risks and benefits (Articles 16, 17), have a reasonable likelihood of benefit to the population studied (Article 19) and be conducted by suitably trained investigators (Article 15) using approved protocols, subject to independent ethical review and oversight by a properly convened committee (Article 13)

Where are the records???????

have you put your wet tram ticket away now OD ?

Probably on the same shelf as the wet lettuce

That was marvellous reading that Slobbo article again.

He should resign today..

That was marvellous reading that Slobbo article again.

He should resign today..

hes bound to just disappear inside a bottle any time soon

hes bound to just disappear inside a bottle any time soon

Found in his single Bed Sitter surrounded by Whiskey Bottles more like it...covered in shame

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wada-appeal-why-would-world-anti-doping-authority-trust-anyone-involved-with-essendon-investigation-writes-mark-robinson/story-fnp04d70-1227351711986?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

There's a lot of "no one's" post here, Ash35 - haven't you been listening? And plenty of clear-enough assessment of the media coverage, too.

Essendon-like denial, Ash...

(Ash probably does deserve some respect for his courage and usual civility in posting here, though I do wonder what he imagines he might achieve. But this post was insulting and disrespectful, no matter what his tone was. I object to such insinuating and context-denying posts. I think his "not that it counts for a lot around here" is unnecessarily dismissive and implies we are wilfully ignoring a consensus of reasonable commentators. You'll need to do better than that Ash. And we are willing to talk with you if you do - but join in our discussion, if you come on. That ought to mean, don't dismiss out of hand major threads in our discussion. That sentence of yours that I've quoted was crap.)

Take a chill pill mate.

The point I was trying to make was the stark contrast in the medias "can't understand why they would appeal" attitude compared to Demonlands "can't understand why they wouldn't appeal" stance.

I certainly wasn't saying one take was right and one was wrong.

In fact, I have been one to say WADA should appeal.

But it's safe to say 90% of Demonlanders have their minds made up on the subject, so hence my throw away line of "Not that it counts for a lot around here".

I'm so glad you are willing to talk to me, being an outsider and all.

I chose to come here naked, not hiding who I am and where my support lies.

I don't troll, and I certainly didn't come here to "rumble".

Found in his single Bed Sitter surrounded by Whiskey Bottles more like it...covered in shame

I suspect that he has no shame. he's not alone.

Take a chill pill mate.

The point I was trying to make was the stark contrast in the medias "can't understand why they would appeal" attitude compared to Demonlands "can't understand why they wouldn't appeal" stance.

I certainly wasn't saying one take was right and one was wrong.

In fact, I have been one to say WADA should appeal.

But it's safe to say 90% of Demonlanders have their minds made up on the subject, so hence my throw away line of "Not that it counts for a lot around here".

I'm so glad you are willing to talk to me, being an outsider and all.

I chose to come here naked, not hiding who I am and where my support lies.

I don't troll, and I certainly didn't come here to "rumble".

Yes Ash, but are you prepared to agree that the Essendon 34 have not been found innocent 2 times as you previously declared? Like early Lance Armstrong they are yet to be found guilty.

Take a chill pill mate.

The point I was trying to make was the stark contrast in the medias "can't understand why they would appeal" attitude compared to Demonlands "can't understand why they wouldn't appeal" stance.

I certainly wasn't saying one take was right and one was wrong.

In fact, I have been one to say WADA should appeal.

But it's safe to say 90% of Demonlanders have their minds made up on the subject, so hence my throw away line of "Not that it counts for a lot around here".

I'm so glad you are willing to talk to me, being an outsider and all.

I chose to come here naked, not hiding who I am and where my support lies.

I don't troll, and I certainly didn't come here to "rumble".

great defence Ash, you have my respect. we all have our biases and wear different coloured glasses. there are plenty of insulting posters on demonland. I dont like them but thats life.

i condemn without reserve what's happened at EFC but there is a process to go through here and the next step of that process is WADA. That's all you can ask for.

Take a chill pill mate.

The point I was trying to make was the stark contrast in the medias "can't understand why they would appeal" attitude compared to Demonlands "can't understand why they wouldn't appeal" stance.

I certainly wasn't saying one take was right and one was wrong.

In fact, I have been one to say WADA should appeal.

But it's safe to say 90% of Demonlanders have their minds made up on the subject, so hence my throw away line of "Not that it counts for a lot around here".

I'm so glad you are willing to talk to me, being an outsider and all.

I chose to come here naked, not hiding who I am and where my support lies.

I don't troll, and I certainly didn't come here to "rumble".

Ash i am curious, i've never actually had an Essendon supporter who can mount an argument that actually makes me think maybe they have a point, i think alot of demonland and opposition supporters feel the same, it seems to be a lot of suggestions of a conspiracy or believing everything they read in articles

what are your thoughts on

appealing the joint investigations validity when show cause notices were offered? ( for me the club had said for a long period of time they wanted the truth to come out, answering the show cause notices was that opportunity and they seemed to be desperate to avoid that at all costs, have evidence thrown out on a technicality to avoid having to actually go that far into the process)

A club that ran such a significant injections program seemingly having no records or no concrete understanding of what was injected ( to me this just makes them look guilty, there is no way they didn't know/had no records )

the way they have got the media painting WADA/ASADA as the big bad wolf and pushing the pro essendon agenda.

i'm really curious to see if you have or have heard a well thought out argument from a bombers supporter

great defence Ash, you have my respect. we all have our biases and wear different coloured glasses. there are plenty of insulting posters on demonland. I dont like them but thats life.

i condemn without reserve what's happened at EFC but there is a process to go through here and the next step of that process is WADA. That's all you can ask for.

No one asked your opinion! We know they're guilty, burn them now!

(Joking)

I know Deefrag's post at #213 was intended to be humorous, but I hope the mods delete it if he doesn't.

I haven't quoted it because I don't want to repeat what was said but it is in worse than poor taste with a comparison that should not be made.

Late note: I see the original post #213 has now been deleted. There's nothing wrong with the post that's there now.

Edited May 12, 201510 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia

I know Deefrag's post at #213 was intended to be humorous, but I hope the mods delete it if he doesn't.

I haven't quoted it because I don't want to repeat what was said but it is in worse than poor taste with a comparison that should not be made.

LDVC I had an earlier tete a tete with someone here that I shall not name many months ago on a very similar topic, It is sensitive ground and I agree it should be deleted.

im going to go with.....LIE

I am going with both! (Viz. Lie and 'lack of governance')

Edited May 12, 201510 yr by CBDees

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-12/james-hird-shocked-by-wada-appeal

"It will cause stress."

Good point, next time someone commits a serious offence let's think of the stress it will put on the suspect before they get charged...

We wouldn't want someone to feel stress now would we.

Edited May 12, 201510 yr by Ethan Tremblay

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wada-appeal-why-would-world-anti-doping-authority-trust-anyone-involved-with-essendon-investigation-writes-mark-robinson/story-fnp04d70-1227351711986?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

Slobbo is such a lush. Nice muck raking effort....Still he's an expert in shoveling shlt hey !!

Des2014 and BB, in all sincerity well done. You held the line and didn't waver. You were right. My doubts of a toothless big bad wada wolf were proven completely foundless, wrong even. Kudos also for ressiting the urge to say i told you so. I'm not sure i would have been big enough to do so in you place.

Insert gif of a b grade celeb eating humble pie.

Insert gif of chickens coming home to roost.

Normal transmission can now resume with my area of interst continuing to be the media response.

B grade ?

A truth spoken in jest? Your humour has betrayed you! You can't fool me with the iconic appearance of your icon, I know a Jesus when I see one and they don't look like you!

For starters my Jesus would never be seen in a roll neck sweater and AND he lived an ascetic life so was very trim and lean unlike your "icon" which shows a man aged beyond his years, pudgy and pale, due no doubt to a debauched and sinful life! No Sir you don't fool me . . not or one minute, I know you, you are the worst of the worst . . a genuine Hater!

You caught me!

Now bring on the trial and subsequent appeal. As long as I don't feel stressed it's all good.