The whole family is diehard Melbourne.

Except Dion.

Lotta love for Jack, wish him all the best - he's still young and time is on his side.

Like Morabito at Fremantle, Jack deserves some luck with his body. Hopefully the club and the fans rally around Trengove in a similar fashion and we see him grace the G again someday.

Pretty much his last chance. Reading the AFL.com.au article it says that 95% of these injuries have no troubles with the screw, but of course that's not the case with Trenners.

Making the call now gives him an outside out of playing a bit in 2015, but realistically we won't see him until 2016.

It's those bl**dy screws again!! First Mitch now Jack and another problem with foot screws. Are we using the wrong thread?

meanwhile a butterfly in japan flaps its wings in unison but oblivious to bbo's proselytising.....

As the hippopotamus muddies the waters and the duckling no longer admires it's own reflection...

As the hippopotamus muddies the waters and the duckling no longer admires it's own reflection...

Until an alpaca bursts in and kicks them both where it hurts ...

Jack Trengove can make a full recovery from more surgery on his troublesome foot injury

People quickly forget the vows they make when watching multiple10 goal defeats in the middle of winter.

I thought we were going to be ruthless.

We certainly have been putrid WYL. But isn't it largely emotion that keeps poor bas tards like you and me paying our memberships every year and going along to watch another flogging at Darklands?

Administrations and players are taking emotion out of the game but if we supporters dispose of it - what is left?

Spot on!!

Yes, because Cameron Schwab is responsible for Jack Trengove's injury. FMD

He was responsible for a lot of negligent and poor overseeing in his time, but he is not responsible for this one.

I refuse to believe that Trengove went through all of 2012 - 2014 with a fractured/injured foot. It may excuse his 2014 absence, but not his very poor form for the 2 years prior. The blame for Trengove's 2012 & 2013 is the coaching group headed by MN.

Schwab bashing is absolutely justifiable, but let's keep it in the areas where he did screw us over. There are so many to choose from and no need to create false one's.

You don't think Schwab wanted his number 2 draft pick Captain played & played & played after $cully was erased?

For 2 years he couldn't run.

2 years.

You don't think Schwab wanted his number 2 draft pick Captain played & played & played after $cully was erased?

For 2 years he couldn't run

2 years

Honestly, if you believe Schwab picked the team you'll believe literally anything. As has already been said, there's enough genuine stuff for us to blame Schwab for without resorting to complete and utter fiction.

Schwab had nothing to do with Trengove's injury. And I'm pretty sure he had nothing to do with him becoming captain either; that was a Mark Neeld and coaching staff decision driven by input from the playing list who rated Trengove a natural leader.

Regardless, it wasn't just his 2014 that was impacted. 2012 and 2013 were well down on his output from previous years. It was sometime in 2012 that he lost his zip, and lost the penetration in his kicking.

2011 he averaged 20.7 disposals, 1.3 scoring shots and 5.3 tackles.

This dropped in 2012 to 17.7 disposals 0.8 scoring shots and 4.5 tackles.

That's a 15% decrease in output.

This injury has affected him for a while. Not sure he will make it back but if he can help play another 7-9 years. He only just turned 23.

It is now looking likely that Jack could miss the entire 2015 season even if the operation is a success.

One way or another, either by LTI or going onto the rookie list, it appears that the Jetta upgrade will come through Jack's spot on the list.

It will take pressure off Jack while he recovers and he can still receive his full contract payment.

By going onto the Rookie list he also allows the club to take another player.

I don't buy the bit about loyalty, as keeping him, paying him and looking after him, while he recovers without extra pressure to play, is the repayment for his loyalty.

Hopefully he returns to us playing good footy in the future, but a professional club IMO, would adopt my strategy.

Honestly, if you believe Schwab picked the team you'll believe literally anything. As has already been said, there's enough genuine stuff for us to blame Schwab for without resorting to complete and utter fiction.

No i see it merely as the action of a man who can see his little empire coming down.

Trengove was the "boy" we tanked for. The basis for the Red & Blueprint

The new captain. The new face.

It is a disgrace that he played with that injury for 2 years

If you think it is fiction so be it.

It is a disgrace that he played with that injury for 2 years

If you think it is fiction so be it.

I agree that it sucks that he seems to have played injured. It's just the absurd leap from that to blaming Schwab that I challenge.

I'm not sure why I'm persisting with this discussion to be honest. I'm clearly a very slow learner.

I'm clearly a very slow learner.

No, just a believer in logic.

It's those bl**dy screws again!! First Mitch now Jack and another problem with foot screws. Are we using the wrong thread?

Yep! The Club is screwed...!

I agree that it sucks that he seems to have played injured. It's just absurd leap from that to blaming Schwab that I challenge.

I'm not sure why I'm persisting with this discussion to be honest. I'm clearly a very slow learner.

we had a CEO who chased Energy Watch as a sponsor FGS!!

The company i could not find a head office for.

Had a P. O. Box for an address.

Irrationality was rife at this time

we had a CEO who chased Energy Watch as a sponsor FGS!!

The company i could not find a head office for.

Had a P. O. Box for an address.

Irrationality was rife at this time

Yep, Energy Watch was a disaster, and one Schwab should be held accountable for. Still not seeing the link to Trengove's foot.

Can we just have a thread somewhere ( another universe works for me ) .."Schwab broke everything ". He certainly has much to account but do we need to derail every thread... just saying !!

Also... When a player is forced to play with a debilitating injury for two years, due to mismanagement and substandard medical checks and rehabilitation... are we really surprised that he's re injured his foot?

He'll play AFL again, but not for a few years yet... His best is worth the wait, whether our club can wait... Who knows? He might turn out to be another gem we have stored for the Hawks...

Substandard medical checks?

Source?

The proof is in the pudding.

We all ranted and raved about his lost pace for two years and thought it was a groin.

Remember when we used some special cream on his foot?

Dave Misson isn't as brilliant as I at first thought.

Maybe you don't understand* that, like its counterpart the scaphoid in the wrist, the navicular injury can be impossible to diagnose for a very long time. It is not (necessarily) a matter of mismanagement and substandard medical checks as you put it - it can be just a matter of time before it declares itself.

*IF you are an orthopedic surgeon specializing in disorders of the foot then I will apologise

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Clark have the same aggravation with the pins?

Perhaps he is also done, only time will tell, but he passed medical tests at 2 clubs.

Veteran Saint Adam Schneider to take on rookie role

St Kilda have committeed to rookieing Schnieder. If they take him with their first pick that would reduce any risk they'll take Trengove if we plan on doing the same. Assuming though they'll take him with their last love rookie pick, however it probably reduces the number of speculative places they have available for JT.

No ones taking Trenners...relax.

Yep, Energy Watch was a disaster, and one Schwab should be held accountable for. Still not seeing the link to Trengove's foot.

I am not asking you to

It is my opinion that CS had fingers in way too many pies...Team selection in 2012 was one i think he influenced.

You have your views.

No ones taking Trenners...relax.

Especially with the contract that would go along with his rookie selection and the distinct possibility of no games played.