I have no mail on this. At all.

And yet I have no concern about Jones re-signing with the MFC at all.

Just as I had no mail on Frawley.

And yet I knew the loyal, country boy was off months before many others here would accept it.

This stuff's pretty obvious IMO.

Unless, of course, you're into dungeons and dragons and playing teenage trading card games. And not therefore accepting the bleeding obvious about the character of certain players.

OMG you have got to be kidding right. Talk about death by a thousand cuts. Please Oh Please can we not do this. If I have to go another 12 months of debate of will he wont he....

I have no mail on this. At all.

And yet I have no concern about Jones re-signing with the MFC at all.

Just as I had no mail on Frawley.

And yet I knew the loyal, country boy was off months before many others here would accept it.

This stuff's pretty obvious IMO.

Unless, of course, you're into dungeons and dragons and playing teenage trading card games. And not therefore accepting the bleeding obvious about the character of certain players.

What a strange sentiment.

If it turns out Jones left because we cheaped out on the contract offer as opposed to him chasing success, then the club would've officially reached its lowest ebb in terms of stupidity and incompetence.

What a strange sentiment.

Perhaps. You still think that Frawley will be at the club next year?

Perhaps. You still think that Frawley will be at the club next year?

Excuse me?

Would you like to trawl through the Frawley thread and find what you felt so appalling?

I really have no idea why you continue with this abstract obsession with 'loyal country boy' or why you seem to marry this so much with those that are comfortable with players waiting to re-sign, or why you needed to add the patronising bit about Dungeons and Dragons at the end of that post.

I am sure you were looking to get a rise out of someone with all that - I just can't grasp who...

Excuse me?

Would you like to trawl through the Frawley thread and find what you felt so appalling?

I really have no idea why you continue with this abstract obsession with 'loyal country boy' or why you seem to marry this so much with those that are comfortable with players waiting to re-sign, or why you needed to add the patronising bit about Dungeons and Dragons at the end of that post.

I am sure you were looking to get a rise out of someone with all that - I just can't grasp who...

I'm a 12th level vice-president.

Excuse me?

Would you like to trawl through the Frawley thread and find what you felt so appalling?

I really have no idea why you continue with this abstract obsession with 'loyal country boy' or why you seem to marry this so much with those that are comfortable with players waiting to re-sign, or why you needed to add the patronising bit about Dungeons and Dragons at the end of that post.

I am sure you were looking to get a rise out of someone with all that - I just can't grasp who...

I'm actually looking for leadership from the players in our leadership group. To my mind, Frawley didn't display this at all. Fortunately, I don't expect this was lost on the likes of Paul Roos, despite what he said to the media for much of the year.

Perhaps my standards/expectations are too high for some here in this regard.

And why exactly are you asking me to excuse you? If it makes you feel any better, you're excused.

Yep - on reflection, the dungeons and dragons comment was trite and wholly unrelated to any of the issues discussed on this thread.

I've made it previously in relation to the footy card trading mentality that seems to have been the focus of several posters through the recent trade period when picks have been bandied about for some of our most important players as though everyone's immediately replaceable.

In my view, that mentality can cause supporters to lose sight of what's actually important to building successful football clubs: culture and investment in the people/players who display the right behaviours. There's a reason Simon Goodwin was so impressive to Paul Roos, and why Nev Jetta's been able to re-establish an AFL career.

And there's a reason why we couldn't land Dangerfield and others like him despite apparently throwing loads of cash at him and offering plenty of sweeteners to the Crows too. Some people/players set the culture for a club. Frawley IMO did not - no doubt, he's a top bloke, but he's not a leader - certainly not for this club anyway. Nathan Jones is. And that's why I think he will re-sign sooner than some here think.

Relax all. My mail today is its in the bag. Spoke with GB. There is a riddle for you!

El presedento?

I'm actually looking for leadership from the players in our leadership group. To my mind, Frawley didn't display this at all. Fortunately, I don't expect this was lost on the likes of Paul Roos, despite what he said to the media for much of the year.

Perhaps my standards/expectations are too high for some here in this regard.

And why exactly are you asking me to excuse you? If it makes you feel any better, you're excused.

Yeah, ok, all I wanted you to know is that no-one on here seems to give a flying about this 'loyal country boy' meme and that I don't think blokes waiting to sign contracts means they are a bad leader and I have no idea how this played into the whole issue of those that see list management akin to FIFA Manager - which is what I assume you meant with the D&D quip.

The post was all over the place - that's it.

again 5 years at $600,000 a year = $3M. Reward and faith in the man. He will lead us to the finals in 2016.

I was about to say it would suck so much if Jones never played finals

then i realized he played in 2 finals in his first season

Seems like an eternity ago

I was about to say it would suck so much if Jones never played finals

then i realized he played in 2 finals in his first season

Seems like an eternity ago

our last winning final - vs StKilda 2006 - elimination

Melbourne Match Statistics (Sorted by Disposals) Coach: Neale Daniher Player K HB D M G B T HO FF FA Cameron Bruce 15 14 29 9 1 2 7 0 1 2 Brad Green 20 9 29 6 0 0 1 0 1 1 Brock McLean 14 11 25 2 2 0 7 0 4 1 James McDonald 12 8 20 6 1 0 4 0 2 1 Jeff White 9 11 20 4 0 0 2 30 3 1 Travis Johnstone 17 1 18 5 0 0 5 0 1 3 Adem Yze 11 5 16 4 1 0 2 0 1 2 Daniel Bell 9 7 16 5 0 0 3 0 0 1 Byron Pickett 11 4 15 4 1 2 5 0 3 2 Daniel Ward 9 6 15 4 0 0 4 0 1 0 Colin Sylvia 11 3 14 4 0 1 4 0 1 0 Matthew Bate 9 5 14 5 1 0 1 1 1 4 Ben Holland 6 7 13 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 Jared Rivers 4 8 12 2 0 0 2 0 1 0 Brad Miller 5 6 11 8 1 0 2 0 0 0 David Neitz 9 2 11 3 4 3 0 0 2 0 Matthew Whelan 5 5 10 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 Nathan Carroll 6 4 10 5 0 0 1 0 1 1 Aaron Davey 6 4 10 1 0 0 2 0 1 0 Russell Robertson 7 2 9 3 1 1 1 0 2 0 Nathan Jones 5 4 9 1 0 0 2 1 0 4 Mark Jamar 0 2 2 0 0 0 1 7 0 0

( that Sylvia could be something if he could get a decent preseason into him)

edit - well it didnt look like that when I pasted it in !

Yeah, ok, all I wanted you to know is that no-one on here seems to give a flying about this 'loyal country boy' meme and that I don't think blokes waiting to sign contracts means they are a bad leader and I have no idea how this played into the whole issue of those that see list management akin to FIFA Manager - which is what I assume you meant with the D&D quip.

The post was all over the place - that's it.

I do.

I expected leadership and loyalty.

What a [censored] character Frawley turned out to have.

When will it be announced Demoneyes?

Wouldn't say but as per my mate at the GC he said within 3-4 weeks

i'm not disagreeing with you, but there would be a lot of hawks and swans players not paid fair market value and their culture seems strong

it could also be said that most demon players are already paid overs and that didn't help our culture

having said that jonesy deserves fair market value simply because he has earned it

The Hawks and Swans win games, we don't that's the difference.

Jones wants success, said so in his B&F if we can't give him success and pay him at market value he will walk to a stronger club no doubt about it.

Just like going for a gun free agent we are going to pay massive overs for Jones until we look like or are more successful and he deserves to get paid overs, he has been our only gun for many years. 500 or 600k a year won't do it. Dawes gets 500 a year doesn't he? As does Hogan, who is worth a lot more?

Yep - on reflection, the dungeons and dragons comment was trite and wholly unrelated to any of the issues discussed on this thread.

I've made it previously in relation to the footy card trading mentality that seems to have been the focus of several posters through the recent trade period when picks have been brandied about for some of our most important players as though everyone's immediately replaceable.

In my view, that mentality can cause supporters to lose sight of what's actually important to building successful football clubs: culture and investment in the people/players who display the right behaviours. There's a reason Simon Goodwin was so impressive to Paul Roos, and why Nev Jetta's been able to re-establish an AFL career.

And there's a reason why we couldn't land Dangerfield and others like him despite apparently throwing loads of cash at him and offering plenty of sweeteners to the Crows too. Some people/players set the culture for a club. Frawley IMO did not - no doubt, he's a top bloke, but he's not a leader - certainly not for this club anyway. Nathan Jones is. And that's why I think he will re-sign sooner than some here think.

Good post - the leaders we want at our club are those that relish the challenge of making our club again. Travis Boak is a great example of this and Chunk is made if the same sort of stuff.

Any goss on Garland and where his contract is up to?

The Hawks and Swans win games, we don't that's the difference.

Jones wants success, said so in his B&F if we can't give him success and pay him at market value he will walk to a stronger club no doubt about it.

Just like going for a gun free agent we are going to pay massive overs for Jones until we look like or are more successful and he deserves to get paid overs, he has been our only gun for many years. 500 or 600k a year won't do it. Dawes gets 500 a year doesn't he? As does Hogan, who is worth a lot more?

Gee I hope Dawes doesn't get anywhere near $500k a year.

This is where the bottom level clubs suffer, having to pay massive overs to get semi-stars. It then clogs our salary.

Gee I hope Dawes doesn't get anywhere near $500k a year.

This is where the bottom level clubs suffer, having to pay massive overs to get semi-stars. It then clogs our salary.

We have had massive issues simply paying the minimum of the cap that we have to pay.

We are going to overpay our compromised list - that's how it works when you have an equalised salary cap with an amount you have to pay.

I was watching some Dean Kent highlights last night and in one of them Watts was spooked out of taking a sitter with the feared gorilla tamer Daniel Wells hot on his heels lol.. I wonder what Watts is being paid..

The Hawks and Swans win games, we don't that's the difference.

Jones wants success, said so in his B&F if we can't give him success and pay him at market value he will walk to a stronger club no doubt about it.

Just like going for a gun free agent we are going to pay massive overs for Jones until we look like or are more successful and he deserves to get paid overs, he has been our only gun for many years. 500 or 600k a year won't do it. Dawes gets 500 a year doesn't he? As does Hogan, who is worth a lot more?

i think if you look back at my posts i suggested fair market value was $600-650K pa for 3-5 years

I was watching some Dean Kent highlights last night and in one of them Watts was spooked out of taking a sitter with the feared gorilla tamer Daniel Wells hot on his heels lol.. I wonder what Watts is being paid..

Probably overs especially when Jamie Bennell gave him a bath!

Nathan Jones's contract?