Port Melbourne v Casey Scorpions

[KC from Casey 7,061]

This week the Scorpions venture to the home of the Burraburger.

2014 Peter Jackson VFL

PORT MELBOURNE v CASEY SCORPIONS

Saturday 9th August 2014

North Port Oval at 2.00pm

PORT MELBOURNE

B: Mascitti Noonan Sandilands

HB: Davies Pleming Wooffindin

C: Valenti Pinwill Tynan

HF: Connors Johnson Magner

F: S. O'Sullivan Bonaddio Langford

FOLL: Robinson Baird Cain

I/C (from): Clarke Gordon C Johnston T Johnston Lange Marigliani T. O'Sullivan Pearson* Thornton

CASEY SCORPIONS

B: Strauss Georgiou Clisby

HB: Godfrey Panozza Hillard

C: Nicholson Morris Evans

HF: Blease Smith Salem

F: Best Davis Rutherford

FOLL: Fitzpatrick Terlich Harmes

I/C (from) Carr* Corrigan Jackson King Lang Petropoulos Rennie Scott Symons

* 23rd player

2014 AFL Victoria Development League

PORT MELBOURNE v CASEY SCORPIONS

Saturday 9th August 2014

North Port Oval at 11.00am

PORT MELBOURNE

B: Vearing Dickson Henderson

HB: Wilsen Macmillan Muling

C: Woods Hayes T Johnston

HF: Scipione Breust Hogan

F: Rowe Clarke Anderson

FOLL: Prowse Gordon McKenzie

I/C: (from) Knowles Lawsom Michaliades Neal Plant Prowse Purcell Raru Woodley

CASEY SCORPIONS

B: Corry Shiels Gawley

HB: Davidson Corrigan J McDonald

C: West Anderson Collins

HF: Jackson Rennie Del Papa

F: Lang King Fisscher

FOLL: Thomas Symons Scott

I/C (from): Gent Nobelius Pears H Smith Welsh Winderlich Wyatt

[Whispering_Jack 29,805]

Every year, starting at around this time, the number of MFC players at Casey starts to dwindle. Fortunately, this year the Scorpions won't make the finals so they don't have to worry about stuffing the club up when the VFL finals come around.

[Deemotivated 550]

This will be as ugly as the AFL game..

[gsmith12 491]

No Jesse ?

Disappointing.

[Go the Biff 3,414]

Fitzpatrick will think he's Snow White in that lot. Casey will be praying for rain so the ball is on the ground where the seven (or more) dwarfs can have a crack at it

[Deestar3 167]

I thought in other threads that posters had said Salem had done a quad ?

[dazzledavey36 54,285]

Wheres Toumpas? Not named kn injury list or Casey.

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

Wheres Toumpas? Not named kn injury list or Casey.

He looked fine at training, so not sure, perhaps the cautious approach again and giving him anothe solid week on training track

[Waltham33 475]

Why has Fitzy dropped off so much? Was last year a mirage?

[Ted Lasso 19,311]

He looked fine at training, so not sure, perhaps the cautious approach again and giving him anothe solid week on training track

Hey Saty, reckon Hogan will have a game at Casey or come straight back into the seniors?

[Whispering_Jack 29,805]

B: Strauss Georgiou Clisby
HB: Godfrey Panozza Hillard
C: Nicholson Morris Evans
HF: Blease Smith Salem
F: Best Davis Rutherford
FOLL: Fitzpatrick Terlich Harmes
I/C (from) Carr* Corrigan Jackson King Lang Petropoulos Rennie Scott Symons

I can only see one senior listed player as definites at the club next year from this team (Harmes and KIng are rookies).

The others are outside at best.

[Vagg 2,439]

Sad, but true, Jack! Some real potential there that never really materialised. Seems like the story of the MFC...!

[bing181 9,194]

Need to check contract status on some of those though. Fitz has a year to go for example.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Why has Fitzy dropped off so much? Was last year a mirage?

I would love to know if Melbourne looked to trade him last year when he had some currency.

[beelzebub 23,313]

B: Strauss Georgiou Clisby

HB: Godfrey Panozza Hillard

C: Nicholson Morris Evans

HF: Blease Smith Salem

F: Best Davis Rutherford

FOLL: Fitzpatrick Terlich Harmes

I/C (from) Carr* Corrigan Jackson King Lang Petropoulos Rennie Scott Symons

I can only see one senior listed player as definites at the club next year from this team (Harmes and KIng are rookies).

The others are outside at best.

Havent personally written off Georgiou. I think this year was about learning a role...a Roos dictated role. Next year I think is the test for him.As to a lot of the others...well WJ you may well be right

[boydie 655]

Fitzy is the prototype of the modern day tall forward in being able to play multiple positions as he's mobile, he could become quality forward/ruck. In that being said I cant see him becoming that at Melbourne, he'll probably be traded and I'd hate it if he turned out to be exactly what we need at another club.

I wonder if the Dog's would have any interest and what they would be willing to give up for him, he fills a need they have.

[Redleg 40,843]

Wheres Toumpas? Not named kn injury list or Casey.

Recovering from appendix removal.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Recovering from appendix removal.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/36980-training-thursday-7th-august-2014/?p=967522

Toump trained

[Nasher 33,607]

I would love to know if Melbourne looked to trade him last year when he had some currency.

I doubt footy clubs think like this. "He had a pretty good year this year, let's trade him in case he bombs next year and isn't worth anything". You'd have to assume your players are going to progress, surely.

[jacey 333]

I doubt footy clubs think like this. "He had a pretty good year this year, let's trade him".

You would hope that's how clubs trade.

Sell at the top dollar.

I wanted Fitz traded cause he was surplus to Hogan, Dawes and Clark and that was his top value. Disappointing a trade wasn't made.

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

You would hope that's how clubs trade.

Sell at the top dollar.

I wanted Fitz traded cause he was surplus to Hogan, Dawes and Clark and that was his top value. Disappointing a trade wasn't made.

1. You think Fitzpatrick actually had value last year

2. Unless Jamar and Gawn work out how to play together soon Fitzy is really only kept out of the side by Pedersen (which was unexpected)

3. Despite disappointing results at the start of the year Fitzpatrick might actually be better now than he was last year.

They are teaching him how to ruck which he's apparently improved at. And are making him play more as a marking forward instead of just a fast leading player. I doubt his form last year was ever sustainable and that a club would've given anything more than the pick 44 Sydney got for Jesse White. I think the decline in his VFL results has been pretty linked to Casey's decline, I doubt he's getting any delivery at all.

If he could learn to kick I'd still have faith in him as he's got that Stef Martin style speed and agility and there just aren't many forward/rucks who can do either skill well yet alone both. Unfortunately his kicking is so dreadful it ruins my confidence. 5 years on an AFL list and he hasn't significantly improved in the most important skill.

[Chook 15,012]

I doubt footy clubs think like this. "He had a pretty good year this year, let's trade him in case he bombs next year and isn't worth anything". You'd have to assume your players are going to progress, surely.

It is a coach's job to predict, not assume.

[jacey 333]

1. You think Fitzpatrick actually had value last year

2. Unless Jamar and Gawn work out how to play together soon Fitzy is really only kept out of the side by Pedersen (which was unexpected)

3. Despite disappointing results at the start of the year Fitzpatrick might actually be better now than he was last year.

1. Yes I do. You've mentioned pick 44 for White and also Hampson got pick 27?. A late second or third rounder isn't to be sneezed at for Fitz.

2. Fitz is only kept out by Pedersen. You have to be joking.

MFC is crying out for a forward all year to support Dawes. We even shifted our former AA FB to play forward. Come on. Pedersen out this week. Still no Fitz.

3. What. Fitz has been better this year then last. I give up.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I doubt footy clubs think like this. "He had a pretty good year this year, let's trade him in case he bombs next year and isn't worth anything". You'd have to assume your players are going to progress, surely.

I don't mean they were thinking he was going to drop in value, just that coming into this year we had good forward stocks (this didn't work out to be the case), he had a pretty good year and lots of clubs were looking for key forwards.

[Nasher 33,607]

You would hope that's how clubs trade.

Sell at the top dollar.

I wanted Fitz traded cause he was surplus to Hogan, Dawes and Clark and that was his top value. Disappointing a trade wasn't made.

I don't agree. This is not the share market where you hold stock with the underlying principle that you'll sell it eventually, so the "sell at best price" concept doesn't make sense. Clubs should be looking at how it can get best use for its players; that may be through a trade, but most of the time it's through further development of that player, that's why relatively few players are traded each year.

The club clearly took the view that it would benefit more from retaining him than it would have from the trade. If clubs adopt the mantra of looking at trade value vs future trade value only as you suggest, then they ignore what the player is worth to the club if they keep him.

They probably got it wrong in this specific case as Fitzpatrick hasn't really come on, but that doesn't make the principle wrong.