Frawley going to Hawthorn is vomit in my mouth stuff.

As if the Hawks don't own us enough, they can just pluck Frawley with zero cost in terms of trade.

How on earth do the AFL organise working groups around equalisation whilst they allow top end talent to move each year to clubs up the top of the ladder?

I could see this problem from day one.

So we meet Hawthorn in 2015, yet another year where we no we have zero chance of winning. just zero.

so so deflating.

Its now just an ARMS RACE between Hawthorn and Sydney and the rest can help develop their players of tomorrow.

how to stuff up a great game.

Edited October 2, 201410 yr by Bay Riffin

I believe Geelong feel totally shafted believing associations would get him over the line. That was the basis of my info!

Don't give a stuff sticking my neck out. I had a dip with what I know was excellent but flawed info. So I really don't care what others on forum think of me nor do the barbs coming my way affect me. If those like Dazzle Davey get a jolly out of it, must be a insecure life!

Still happy to provide info that I hear.

I'll say it again Geelong are most definitely the most peeved in all of this! Definitely so !

Edited October 2, 201410 yr by picket fence

i think the most important aspect was that Roosy wanted to set ip the backline without Frawley in it, rather than rely on him.

The backline was ok and will get better. Frawley has not left a big hole.

never subscribed to the theory that he wanted to set up the backline without Frawley. He went back there early in the season when there was no Hogan, Dawes, Clark and he didnt have Garland available and Howe was struggling forward. He basically had little other alternatives. I think the idea of setting up without Frawley is just too convenient.

The backline will be ok and hopefully get better because there is no alternative - Frawley is gone.

As to him not leaving a big hole - he had an average year at best. He has shown he can play in 2010 and done little else since. We are willing to suggest that players will improve under Roos but obviously we don't give the same leeway to Frawley.

We have good backmen but can always use more .

He is gone - we move on and hate the next player who puts his contract on hold until the end of the season.

I believe Geelong feel totally Shafted believing associations would get him over the line. That was and will be the basis of my info!

Don't give a stuff sticking my neck out. I had a dip with excellent info. So I really don't care what others on forum think of me nor do the barbs coming my way affect me.

Still happy to provide info that I hear.

I'll say it again Geelong are most definitely the most peeved in all of this! Definitely so !

Good, I'm glad they are peeved. I'm in no doubt Hawthorn had Frawley this time last year, and Geelong thought they'd just come in and get him during this season.

As I said earlier, eat shlt kitties.

I'll say it again Geelong are most definitely the most peeved in all of this! Definitely so !

Heart bleeds for the Cats....how on earth will they go on.

So lets summarize, the big four names leaving their clubs in the last 2 years have gone where; Buddy and Tippet-Swans, MC- Cats, Chip- Hawks. The premiers of the last 4 years.

Yes working a treat.

I'll say it again Geelong are most definitely the most peeved in all of this! Definitely so !

Diddums for Geelong! They got the guy who shafted us (Clark) and get shafted by the guy they thought they had (Frawley).

No cream for the 'cheshire' cats here! Just karma!

Don't give a flying pig how Geelong or Hawthorn feel. Just get us pick 3 compo and [censored] off already James!

I'm in no doubt Hawthorn had Frawley this time last year, and Geelong thought they'd just come in and get him during this season.

Just to be clear on how much "no doubt" you have that he met Hawks last year - are you in the same "no doubt" as the other posters who had no doubt he was going to Geelong ?

This is actually where the much maligned "secret formula" and discretionary panel both work in our favour.

Frawley may not be worth pick 3 according to their formula.

But we're damn well going to get it.

Change the rules on Free Agency before it destroys our competition. Public interest will diminish if half the teams never have a chance to win a flag, this will result in lower attendances and inevitably lower broadcast rights. What is currently happening breaks my heart.

Absolutely. We will be sweating on Frawley compo big time. Makes hard to justify a first round compo if he's gone to the Hawks. You need around 650-800K a year to get a band 1 compo.

Is that in writing anywhere? I have only see 'the size of the contract will be a factor blah blah' but not an actual dollar amount....

Change the rules on Free Agency before it destroys our competition. Public interest will diminish if half the teams never have a chance to win a flag, this will result in lower attendances and inevitably lower broadcast rights. What is currently happening breaks my heart.

Agree.

If the AFL think that fixturing games at 7:40 pm on a Sunday night or other such strange time slots are the sole reason for dwindling crowds, then they're delusional. There are plenty of other factors in play that have resulted in fan dissatisfaction - free agency being one of them.

Us passionate Demonlanders will still attend because we are suckers for punishment but many others won't (and I don't really blame them either).

Is that in writing anywhere? I have only see 'the size of the contract will be a factor blah blah' but not an actual dollar amount....

just going off likeliness/previous FA results.

Heard Bucks on SEN this morning, his take on FA. It was not designed as an equalisation tool it was designed as a tool to allow players to move easily between clubs mainly players on the fringes. The salary cap and club spend caps are the equalisation measures.

Heard Bucks on SEN this morning, his take on FA. It was not designed as an equalisation tool it was designed as a tool to allow players to move easily between clubs mainly players on the fringes. The salary cap and club spend caps are the equalisation measures.

[censored] Nathan Buckley.

[censored] Nathan Buckley.

If you're into that kind of thing... not my bag though.

If you're into that kind of thing... not my bag though.

mate.

I believe Geelong feel totally shafted believing associations would get him over the line. That was the basis of my info!

Don't give a stuff sticking my neck out. I had a dip with what I know was excellent but flawed info. So I really don't care what others on forum think of me nor do the barbs coming my way affect me. If those like Dazzle Davey get a jolly out of it, must be a insecure life!

Still happy to provide info that I hear.

I'll say it again Geelong are most definitely the most peeved in all of this! Definitely so !

No one takes you seriously, so don't worry about it.

Change the rules on Free Agency before it destroys our competition. Public interest will diminish if half the teams never have a chance to win a flag, this will result in lower attendances and inevitably lower broadcast rights. What is currently happening breaks my heart.

the public interest already has

look how many people didn't give a rats about the grand final , it will only get worse for the AFL

the younger generation are falling off and following soccer. and its not just melbourne people

Don't give a flying pig how Geelong or Hawthorn feel. Just get us pick 3 compo and [censored] already James!

J, it might be time for another edit to your Favourite Players.

Thank [censored] that f*****s ugly head is off the banner, absolute [censored] [censored].

Edited October 2, 201410 yr by TheoX

Heard Bucks on SEN this morning, his take on FA. It was not designed as an equalisation tool it was designed as a tool to allow players to move easily between clubs mainly players on the fringes. The salary cap and club spend caps are the equalisation measures.

It was sold as older players getting a chance to move or last shot at a game. Exactly like Cross did last year.

It is clearly working differently. The rich get richer, the poor get the picture.

Pick 10 is coming

Pick 10 is coming

That's fine if the formula says band 2, but if it's band 1 that's [censored]