Byrnes out, someone younger in please Roosy.

Am I the only one here that thinks the Jeremy Howe in the backline thing is not working. We need him to be the target for the half back flankers to be kicking out to the wing towards. If he's going to play back, take the effing mark FCS, sick of the two handed punch that goes straight down the throat of the waiting bulldog crumbers.

This hurts. We were the better team. Observations:

- umps were ok but Crameri's soft free kick hurt us

- stop Cooney ... he was the difference in last qtr

- Byrnes, Bail both must be dropped and Terlich. ins... Riley, Tapscott (sub), Blease

- Watts cannot break a tackle or even tackle himself

Lots to like, but lost it through a combination of lack of class around the stoppages and a few soft goals, especially Dunn vs Crameri. Would still rather Frawley down back, feel like we're losing more than we gain, though he was better up forward tonight.

Wouldn't mind seeing the stat on "fumbled handball receives". Viney is an absolute gem, but isn't quite at Sam Mitchell level with his quick disposals.

Ironically enough, for all the stick he gets here, felt we didn't look as good once Terlich went off. Sure, he fluffs a few, but we weren't quite getting the same drive off the back half once he was subbed.

Byrnes the new whipping boy it seems. Salem to play a full game and Blease in to cover - though McKenzie's the one who most deserves a call-up it seems.

Byrnes out, someone younger in please Roosy.

Am I the only one here that this the Jeremy Howe in the backline thing is not working. We need him to be the target for the half back flankers to be kicking out to the wing towards. If he's going to play back, take the effing mark FCS, sick of the two handed punch that goes straight down the throat of the waiting bulldog crumbers.

We had Howe forward in the first few rounds and he couldn't get near the footy.

Byrnes is in because he does the non negotiables. He affects contests better than others such as blessed Strauss toumpas at this stage. They need to be able to do the non negotiables better then will go past him.

Unfortunately Byrnes offensive game is limited these days at afl level.

Pretty sure that having an actual impact on the stat sheet is also a non negotiable.

He's 31, it's not like we are nurturing his talents for the future. He isn't contributing enough. Needs to go.

How good is Domenic Tyson?

Reckon we were clearly better but somehow they scored easily. Missed grimes down back, was ok on Griffen but did nothing offensive. Agree we missed Terlich when he went off, he seems to take contested marks and rarely loses a tough one on one. Shattered, we were the better team bar libba, he is our Tyson.

Throw Hogan back in this side and we have a seriously good young developing core, this side could play finals in 2 years imo

Frawley gets to marking contests but rarely actually puts his hands up to even mark the ball.

He's not a forward.

Disappointed with the result.

Happy with the progress in both endeavour and the gameplan.

That's about all.

Now that I have calmed down it was a lost opportunity but there are things to work with, we obviously can be attacking by foot off half back, we just can't make it count on the score board. We are battling on well with N Jones being tagged out but Vince and Tyson have stepped up. I like JKH and Salem so there is light at the end of the tunnel. Watts was better but gee he should be able to make a difference up forward when it counts toward the end of the game.

We need to be patient, after all its only been 7 years, these things take time.

Oh, and Roosy would you tell matt jones to practice his running shots on goal all week please. Shattered by his miss at the end there. Really like M. Jones's effort but what good is a line breaker that can't kick?

Throw Hogan back in this side and we have a seriously good young developing core, this side could play finals in 2 years imo

The what ifs and wondering how our season might look with Clark and Hogan in the fwd 50.... Ahhhhh.

This hurts. We were the better team. Observations:

- umps were ok but Crameri's soft free kick hurt us

- stop Cooney ... he was the difference in last qtr

- Byrnes, Bail both must be dropped and Terlich. ins... Riley, Tapscott (sub), Blease

- Watts cannot break a tackle or even tackle himself

Bail isn't going anywhere and Terlich only will if he's injured. Riley's been in good VFL form and Blease was good this week by the sounds of it, but the idea of bringing Tapscott in is laughable. These are changes for the sake of change for mine. Your team on paper looks worse than the one we fielded.

Byrnes is the only player in our team whose spot was doubtful in the leadup, and it's fair to say he didn't answer too many of the questions asked of him this week.

Terlich was missed. It seems as if there's serious effort to maintain consistency in selection. I wonder how tempted they were to move frawley back? Garland s first game back. I think we missed Matty Warnock!

I [censored] hate losing and I [censored] hate losing to the Bulldogs.

But, it's comforting to know that we're improving

We do not score enough goals for all the hard work done.

There are some on our list who are trying but won't make it past the year.

The westies took their chances.

]We need to be patient, after all its only been 7 years, these things take time.

It's only been 8 weeks.

Shannon Byrnes has had three games on the trot in the ones and has floated between ordinary and completely hopeless. There are a few showing decent form at Casey so I will be stunned if he keeps his spot.

How does Tom McDonald avoid scrutiny? Along with Byrnes terrible.

Tyson excellent. Viney and JKH good.

Umpires decision turned the game, and Matt Jones miss was the biggest anti climax of all time.

We had Howe forward in the first few rounds and he couldn't get near the footy.

Yeah but he didn't have any big bodies to support him though. We have Dawes and Frawley to take the two best defenders now. I don't think Roos is playing him to his strengths. His one trick (i.e. the speccie) is too dangerous for the backline.

Umpires decision turned the game, and Matt Jones miss was the biggest anti climax of all time.

Official attendance: 36,326. That seems pretty decent for two lowly sides who don't get many to their games at the best of times. Well done all.

Pretty sure that having an actual impact on the stat sheet is also a non negotiable.

He's 31, it's not like we are nurturing his talents for the future. He isn't contributing enough. Needs to go.

Agreed, he was totally unsighted tonight and when we needed senior players to stand up he was one that was missing. He would've been subbed if Terlich hadn't been knocked out.

We were on top for the first half and that was where we lost it, we didn't put it on the board when we had the play. In the last quarter we had plenty of chances to get ourselves in front but failed with good chances. Matt Jones at the end choked, plain and simple. If you are an AFL footballer you have to nail at least one of those.

I don't think there'll be wholesale changes, Byrnes and Terlich out, Riley and Georgio in.