Because we'd most likely be offering picks 2 & 3 for Cameron & O'Rourke, or something similar.

A high pick alone probably won't do it for GWS and Cameron is under contract.

It's not rocket science.

For starters don't think we will have pick 2. GWS want Petracca. They will forfeit the game to us.

I can see it now. "Sorry we thought the game was in New Guinea and we are all here by the pool."

Edited August 8, 201410 yr by Redleg

Worst part about GWS and St Kilda dealing is we lose access to both Petracca and Cameron. Who would we then draft?

Saints could beat the Dogs for Lenny.

I think we will finish 16th on 5 wins and Frawley will go.

Thats pick 3 & 4.

Keep one for young gun and trade the other.

WE NEED HOPE. MY HOPE INDICATOR NEEDS BOOSTING AS IT HAS DROPPED DRAMATICALLY AFTER THE LIONS GAME. OUR STYLE OF PLAY & SKILLS WAS UGLY.

Well this may help you.

We lost to Port by a kick in Adelaide. We had no forward line and copped a few bad umpire decisions. Pies beat Port by a kick at the G and everyone says how good the Pies are and that they are back. Yes we had a bad one against the Lions but we have lost 7 games by under 24 points this year and several where we were leading with minutes to go.

Hayden Crozier from Freo might be somebody worth looking at??

Former pick 20 from Rowville. Some elite athleticism. Could replace Howe as the mid height high half forward. 3 years in system. Getting some OK WAFL numbers.

Have you seen him recently Pennant St Dee?? Any thoughts

Hayden Crozier from Freo might be somebody worth looking at??

Former pick 20 from Rowville. Some elite athleticism. Could replace Howe as the mid height high half forward. 3 years in system. Getting some OK WAFL numbers.

Have you seen him recently Pennant St Dee?? Any thoughts

Think he is playing this week.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-08/crow-may-fly-nest

Think he is playing this week.

Correct I didn't see that. Thanks.

After having 38 disposals and 2 goals 5 on the weekend it would seem we and other clubs are interested in Lyons again

And he has admitted he may have to leave for opportunity

He should have left last year when he had the chance. He would be playing regular footy with us this year.

2 goals 5. Lyon should fit right in.

2 goals 5. Lyon should fit right in.

Only if at least one of the 5 was from the goal square.

IF, if Chip goes, I'd like Roosy to trade one high pick and use the other on Petracca or Brayshaw. But... if we finish the year poorly, which may well happen, I wouldn't be surprised if he traded both high picks for established mids. We need quality input now, not in 3, 4, 5 years. The urgency is increasing. We don't have the leadership to develop a pack of young guys. Let another club develop them, cause we can't. Trade for immediacy, while we have the double high pick currency.

Roosy does well with 25-27 year olds who have been moved on.

I have noticed he doesn't burn the kids but tries to get more from older guys.

I think of Jolly,nick Davis ,Schneider ,Hall in that flag year.

He formed that team quite swiftly- which is what we need to do.

Let the rich clubs develop the teens.

These days of high player turnover require shorter contracts.

Roosy does well with 25-27 year olds who have been moved on.

I have noticed he doesn't burn the kids but tries to get more from older guys.

I think of Jolly,nick Davis ,Schneider ,Hall in that flag year.

He formed that team quite swiftly- which is what we need to do.

Let the rich clubs develop the teens.

These days of high player turnover require shorter contracts.

Shorter like 7 years @$800k a la Chip? [censored] him.

Roosy does well with 25-27 year olds who have been moved on.

I have noticed he doesn't burn the kids but tries to get more from older guys.

I think of Jolly,nick Davis ,Schneider ,Hall in that flag year.

He formed that team quite swiftly- which is what we need to do.

Let the rich clubs develop the teens.

These days of high player turnover require shorter contracts.

... Ricky Petterd? Oh he was moved on by us.

(Agreed with the call at the time)

Only seen Crozier once this year very hard to judge what I call a vanilla footballer, decent accumulator most weeks but you never see anything eyecatching or outstanding.

Very robotic in his movements and I suppose when I saw him the bonus was he played a link role through the middle/wing. Never left his opponent more than 5metres away when opposition were in possession, but breaks very quickly to space when the ball is turned over looking for the outlet to rebound. Very well drilled team player who plays to instruction well but totally different player to the natural free flowing player when drafted.

Would be a solid player but would not be giving up much for him

I find all this talk about St Kilda's number one pick being better than potentially 2&3 or 3&4 a bit mystifying. Would've thought GWS would rather the latter option by far. If they get those high picks it gives them 2, 3 and 4 and they could trade those away to another established team in exchange for just about any gun player they want. Even the Hawks would probably jump at the chance to offload one of their midfielders if it meant injecting a top 3 pick, and GWS end up big winners.

Why just deal with package deals that only include Saints players, all for the illustrious pick 1? I reckon StK would be mad to keep ditching their senior players anyway. We've all seen how disastrous that can be for youth development.

Your exactly right, it's likely that it won't be necessary to have pick 1 in order to get Petracca. All GWS need is a pick ahead of us as Stkilda should get Mccartin. Their probs tanking it now so that they can get pick 2 and Petracca so that they don't have to trade with us.

Whether pick 1 is better than 2 and 3 is entirely contingent on the draft and the requirements of the wooden spooner. This one it won't apply.

Well seems increasingly clear to me that GWS vs MFC will be the Kreuzer Cup of 2014, except we won't be trying to lose. GWS on the other hand continue their run of bizarre player management. Hope this endless hoarding of early draft picks has been worth all the trouble. Even if only half of them come on, they'll be a frightening team in a few years.

Yep...Petracca will be that icing on the cake to their midfield.

At what point do they stop tanking for high draft picks and start playing to win every match of the season?

Your exactly right, it's likely that it won't be necessary to have pick 1 in order to get Petracca. All GWS need is a pick ahead of us as Stkilda should get Mccartin. Their probs tanking it now so that they can get pick 2 and Petracca so that they don't have to trade with us.

GWS don't need to tank as there is talk that if GWS finish above us, St Kilda will trade pick 1 to GWS (to get Petracca), for GWS first pick (3/4, to use for one of the tall KPP - Mc Cartin) plus another highish pick/player. (GWS have 2 more picks around 20/21 to play with).

Such a deal not within the rules but then when it comes to GWS there are no rules.

It is in the rules. You are allowed to do that.

LH, highly unlikely unless GWS finish below us. St kilda want a KPF, and we will take Mccartin if Petracca is gone. Plus Saints will only trade pick 1 for Boyd or Cameron (Patton is staying, it would be really dumb if Saints did that...