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"A handful of Giants are coming out of contract with Carlton and the Western Bulldogs linked to swingman Kristian Jaksch and several clubs led by Richmond and Melbourne keen on powerful midfielder Dylan Shiel."

Huge statement by Tyson there. I hope it has a big impact in the minds of the OOC GWS players who are toying with the idea of coming home.

It would really shove it up 'em if we could snag one or two of their young guns.

In all honesty, what would we have to realistically give up to satisfy GWS for:

- Shiel?

- O'Rourke?

- Cameron?

I think

Shiel - would want pick 3 or 4.

O'Rourke - would want a top 15 pick. Price has dropped like Tyson, but for that reason I think he represents tremendous value.

Cameron - would want pick 3 & 4. Maybe more.

For Cameron we would need to give up a player and a pick. Maybe a Kent or a Howe + a first rounder.

In all honesty, what would we have to realistically give up to satisfy GWS for:

- Shiel?

- O'Rourke?

- Cameron?

I think

Shiel - would want pick 3 or 4.

O'Rourke - would want a top 15 pick. Price has dropped like Tyson, but for that reason I think he represents tremendous value.

Cameron - would want pick 3 & 4. Maybe more.

What would you give for Tomlinson 'Machsy', I'm a bit undecided about him but looks to be on the way home.

Apparently GWS are very interested in Christian Petracca, hopefully we can organise a deal for them

If they traded a 'somewhat experienced' player for Petracca like a a Shiel i would be a bit surprised. Not sure how long that can continue to go down the youth path, when they are only making minor inroads after having first grab at prized picks over the past few years. They would be much better trying to entice better established players by moving on fringe players.

What would you give for Tomlinson 'Machsy', I'm a bit undecided about him but looks to be on the way home.

GWS will probably want a top 10 pick for any of those kids, but I just can't see it happening.

A first rounder as a minimum though, I'd have thought.

Tomlinson would be great for us, as would Cameron, but I really think our assets (mainly early draft picks at this stage) need to be used to procure quality midfield depth before anything else.

But with Roos having now had a season to properly evaluate players, although it's not much his style, we may see more player movement off our list in trades during this offseason.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's put a line through a couple that still have value.

Gotta be brave to make things happen.

Edited July 22, 201411 yr by Machsy

If they traded a 'somewhat experienced' player for Petracca like a a Shiel i would be a bit surprised. Not sure how long that can continue to go down the youth path, when they are only making minor inroads after having first grab at prized picks over the past few years. They would be much better trying to entice better established players by moving on fringe players.

If a player is hell bent on returning to VIC then they'll probably take the best value they can get, rather than keep him against his will and upset the apple cart.

picks 2,3 and Toumpas for Shiel and Cameron?

I rate Jimmy as a prospect but he is struggling, an obvious talent but if it means landing a couple of stars then i'd probably make the call

picks 2,3 and Toumpas for Shiel and Cameron?

I rate Jimmy as a prospect but he is struggling, an obvious talent but if it means landing a couple of stars then i'd probably make the call

As ordinary as Toumpas has been i doubt Roos and co. would just throw him in a trade as steak knives. He can still be a star player, has he even turned 20 yet?

And I hope we will beat Brisbane and GWS and get picks 4 and 5.

It comes down to how whether those players want to come home, and whether GWS's recruiting strategy is to still go for the top 5 of the draft to spread the age of their talent pool.

Say both Shiel and Cameron both want to come home. And suppose that Frawley goes and we end up with picks 3 and 4. Would we seriously consider trading both picks for Shiel and Cameron? Both players have 10 years ahead of them and have solid B+ / A Grade credentials, so there is low risk on our part. GWS have plenty of other midfield talent to cover Shiel, plus another top 5 pick to come in. It's also a KPF-heavy draft, so they could recruit another to place Cameron whilst still retaining Boyd and Patton.

I'd do it in a heart beat, but GWS won't accept picks 3 & 4 for Shiel & Cameron.

They'd want more.

Much more.

Picks 3 & 4 for Shiel and Tomlinson would be fitting.

A win for both sides too, I think.

I'm of the opinion that gws might only use 3 picks in the draft. They did something similar last year. Because they have activated an end of first round pick that gives them 3 picks inside the top 22/23 ish depending on picks allocated for free agents. If they were to gain say our first pick for one of the above mentioned players they might not even use their 2nd round pick. We could bargain for a player and their 2nd round pick. It's something roosy has done a lot. I would say their 3rd round pick is definitely up for grabs around 40. In trading for say shiel they would want our first pick because he is still contracted, but we could give that up for sheil and maybe their 2nd and 3rd rounds. Roosy would then use those in my opinion for a player like the Vince trade. This would get us in a couple more semi-experienced mids. Or we might be able to use one on malceski if frawley goes to not dilute our pick for him. I don't think the swans would get a 1st round pick for him as compensation so a 2nd round pick would be about 38, they would take a pick around 22/23.

Picks 3 & 4 for Shiel and Tomlinson would be fitting.

A win for both sides too, I think.

3 and 4 for Shiel, O'Rourke and their compo pick which I think is end of first round?

I think O'Rourke has heaps of upside personally and could prove a bargain in the way Tyson did

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picks 2,3 and Toumpas for Shiel and Cameron?

I rate Jimmy as a prospect but he is struggling, an obvious talent but if it means landing a couple of stars then i'd probably make the call

The only sort of thing I could see them accepting in a trade for those two would be adding a more experienced player with value. We don't have many of those, but Howe is probably one with some appeal. I don't think Toumpas plus picks would appeal to them.

I can see holding three picks early in the draft appealing to GWS, as they could add a tall, Petracca and someone like Pickett to add the pace they need.

Helen Thomas makes you moist hulk? Good for you, I guess...

Tomlinson is an interesting one...

Last year we recruited JKH, Tyson and Michie - all Oakleigh Chargers boys. This comes a year after Viney joined the club who had also spent time at Oakleigh. Tyson also went to Trinity Grammer. Tomlinson also played for Oakleigh and went to Trinity.

Now it could just be a coincidence, but those three we recruited last year were all sort of out of left field in their own way. Hopefully there is something to it and it helps lure Tomlinson to the dees.

Use pick 3 on Petracca

Trade pick 4 for Tomlinson and their second rounder

I wouldn't give up pick 4 for Tomlinson.

Be good to land Shiel.

The AFL would step in before Cameron left GWS - they'd make it worth him staying.

I agree that Petracca is a must get for this draft.

I'm praying that he's there at 3 or thereabouts as I don't believe we'll finish lower than that.

Like the poster about pick 4 for Tomlinson and a later pick could work as long as that pick isn't too far down the pecking order.

Whichever way it goes, I'm desperate for Petracca. The bloke looks to be a wild beast ready to year the competion apart.

Haven't been this excited about a prospect for a while.

Edited July 22, 201411 yr by stevethemanjordan

But seriously, I can't stress it enough.

Listen to Petracca speak. He's switched on and has the perfect attitude. He's a competitive beast who's built like a bull, has unbelievable explosiveness and hands and an awareness and peripheral vision that Pendles has thanks to his basketballing background.

When you've got those attributes to your name, you cannot trade away a pick that could potentially land this bloke.

He's a freak.

Edited July 22, 201411 yr by stevethemanjordan

I agree that Petracca is a must get for this draft.

I'm praying that he's there at 3 or thereabouts as I don't believe we'll finish lower than that.

Like the poster about pick 4 for Tomlinson and a later pick could work as long as that pick isn't too far down the pecking order.

Whichever way it goes, I'm desperate for Petracca. The bloke looks to be a wild beast ready to year the competion apart.

Haven't been this excited about a prospect for a while.

hes a freak

Praying we can draft him but would probably need pick 2 to get him