Hawthorn will pay 800 k if it means they get Chip, so will Freo, don't kid yourselves into thinking noone is going to pay that much, the Suns and Crows would even pay that.

Right now on Carltonland they are probably having a similar conversation about Gibbs the cheap kick merchant. Few stars change clubs, and those two are far from being stars. I like Carlton's approach , offer him what he is worth and leave it at that.

These people who say he's not leaving he has only floated what it would take for him to leave.......didn't people over analyse everything Scully said.

  On 09/04/2014 at 03:02, Al said:

Right now on Carltonland they are probably having a similar conversation about Gibbs the cheap kick merchant. Few stars change clubs, and those two are far from being stars. I like Carlton's approach , offer him what he is worth and leave it at that.

These people who say he's not leaving he has only floated what it would take for him to leave.......didn't people over analyse everything Scully said.

Yes AD

I actually cannot remember Frawley saying much at all.

We are reacting to the media and his agent.

Not exactly the most believable lot.

  On 09/04/2014 at 02:34, Sassy said:

Hawthorn will pay 800 k if it means they get Chip, so will Freo, don't kid yourselves into thinking noone is going to pay that much, the Suns and Crows would even pay that.

Absolutely Hawthorn could afford it. Franklin leaving has left them with a massive amount of cap space.

i think him putting a figure on his value is a good thing, he now has to show prospective clubs and MFC that he is worth it. If we do not believe he is worth it we will let him go and accept whatever compensation we can get for him, plus room in our salary cap for the salary we are not paying him. If he improves then we win at least for this year and then can assess how much he wants to stay with the dees. My biggest fear is that no one will want to pay the sort of money he wants, including melbourne. then what?

There can be no denying that he is still one of the best match up in the game for big powerful key forwards. His deficiences like inconsistent disposal and frequent mistakes can be corrected as are more cerebral aspects of his game like form, confidence and enthusiasm. That is his big selling point to any club in a premiership window. Some will pay the money figures bandied about because they know he can shut out a Cloke or a Tippett and other gorillas.

  On 09/04/2014 at 02:34, Sassy said:

Hawthorn will pay 800 k if it means they get Chip, so will Freo, don't kid yourselves into thinking noone is going to pay that much, the Suns and Crows would even pay that.

Don't be so foolish as to think them just meeting that price means he will automatically leave.

  On 09/04/2014 at 03:35, Machsy said:

Don't be so foolish as to think them just meeting that price means he will automatically leave.

if he gets offered 800k by a premiership contender i seriously doubt he is going to stay, i can't see us paying more than 800k to hang onto him.

If he did leave, which is a massive possibility, what does that mean in terms of compensation picks?

  On 09/04/2014 at 03:52, Wizza said:

If he did leave, which is a massive possibility, what does that mean in terms of compensation picks?

if he leaves on the 800k being floated we'd get band 1 compensation which is the pick immediately after our first pick, if that's pick 1 we get pick 2

  On 09/04/2014 at 01:57, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't generally like having a go at posters but this guy "Machsy" just abuses people non stop just to be contrarion. The guy has racked up 2350 posts since last June and was the same under his other alises (e25, Jose Mourinho, Artie Bucco etc etc) racking up thousands of posts in a short amount of time then creating new user names. He's an internet troll who has no life other than getting into faux arguments on the net, better off just leaving him be/putting him on ignore and actually discussing footy/the MFC with other people who genuinely want to have a discussion rather than persoanlly attack people for differences of opinion in repetitive posts on every single thread.

The highlight of his many incarnations was the endless vituperation against anyone that suggested Scully would leave us.

  On 09/04/2014 at 03:35, Machsy said:

Don't be so foolish as to think them just meeting that price means he will automatically leave.

Who is going to knock back $800,000 with September bonuses?

Get real.

  On 09/04/2014 at 04:11, why you little said:

Who is going to knock back $800,000 with September bonuses?

Get real.

We can happily put WYL on that list then...

  On 08/04/2014 at 23:07, Machsy said:

This is utter crap.

It's also worth remembering the average salary is up to $300k now.

That's a player like Rohan Bail, Blease or Tapscott.

Average players.

Do you think Frawley is worth 2&1/2 of those types?

I know he is.

I know he isn't at the moment Hes at the same level. Needs to prove that he is worth the premium

  On 09/04/2014 at 02:27, why you little said:

Well aware of that...I am also fairly confident that Hawthorn & Fremantle have been circling since last year...Both would pay that figure...

Brian Lake took a pay cut to go to Hawthorn. I cannot see them paying more for Frawley than Hogde Mitchell & Roughhead get.

I would swap Frawley for a #2 pick in the draft like Josh Kelly.

  On 09/04/2014 at 04:54, ManDee said:

Brian Lake took a pay cut to go to Hawthorn. I cannot see them paying more for Frawley than Hogde Mitchell & Roughhead get.

I would swap Frawley for a #2 pick in the draft like Josh Kelly.

But would we pick a Josh Kelly?

Different folks now but the recent past gives little comfort.

I would rather Frawley at a reasonable cost.

One in the hand ... for me.

  On 09/04/2014 at 04:54, ManDee said:

Brian Lake took a pay cut to go to Hawthorn. I cannot see them paying more for Frawley than Hogde Mitchell & Roughhead get.

I would swap Frawley for a #2 pick in the draft like Josh Kelly.

Frawley has at least 4 years of AFL left in him. Probably more. Lake will be lucky to see out next season. Hey i would love to see the Hawks get too greedy but i doubt if Chip could turn down such a lucrative offer.

Ditto to the shockers.

  On 09/04/2014 at 05:00, why you little said:

Frawley has at least 4 years of AFL left in him. Probably more. Lake will be lucky to see out next season. Hey i would love to see the Hawks get too greedy but i doubt if Chip could turn down such a lucrative offer.

Ditto to the shockers.

Lake's career was in limbo for his last two seasons at the Bulldogs. Injuries and the Magoos was his lot. Whoever gets Frawley will get him at his prime for a key defender

Always ask for more than you think can reasonably get. He's probably on about 400k now, thinks 6-650k might be achievable so ask for 800k.

For those that are not advocating trying to keep him - you can't then turn around and decry FA.

You'd be talking out of both sides of your face.

800k to a premiership contender with money to spare who could seriously use an efficient KP defender makes a lot of sense.

For where this club is at right now, it makes no sense.

If we are going to throw that kind of coin at a player, it needs to be a gamebreaker.

  On 09/04/2014 at 08:55, Carlos Danger said:

800k to a premiership contender with money to spare who could seriously use an efficient KP defender makes a lot of sense.

For where this club is at right now, it makes no sense.

If we are going to throw that kind of coin at a player, it needs to be a gamebreaker.

Gamebreaker/Gun midfielder/power forward?

  On 09/04/2014 at 08:16, rpfc said:

For those that are not advocating trying to keep him - you can't then turn around and decry FA.

You'd be talking out of both sides of your face.

The club must play its best by the rules in front of it. That doesn't mean we have to like the rules.

  On 09/04/2014 at 09:13, J VINEY FAN said:

Gamebreaker/Gun midfielder/power forward?

Anyone capable of impacting a game like Stewie Dew did in the 2008 GF.

Frawley isn't that guy and for 800k, I'd expect somebody who could potentially do that.

  On 09/04/2014 at 09:30, Carlos Danger said:

Anyone capable of impacting a game like Stewie Dew did in the 2008 GF.

Frawley isn't that guy and for 800k, I'd expect somebody who could potentially do that.

I don't really see defenders as game breakers, I would prefer to get a gun midfielder or key forward