Very true - which a why it's pretty stupid to go around regurgitating them as fact.

Never said it was fact. Just reporting a quote, like everyone else. And to be honest, I'd be a lot happier to use pick 20 on Z.Jones than trade it for Vince.. So I hope its true.

Never said it was fact. Just reporting a quote, like everyone else. And to be honest, I'd be a lot happier to use pick 20 on Z.Jones than trade it for Vince.. So I hope its true.

It's kind of funny the way that so many people in this thread have talked about trading pick 20 for Vince or using it on Jones as if they're the only two possibilities for the pick. I don't remember reading anywhere that said we'd pick Jones with pick 20.

Great friend of mine went to the draft combine with the assistant coach of the stingrays. According to the asst coach only club at the draft combine who made serious enquiries about Zac Jones with the coaches of stingrays was the Swans.

The feedback on him that whilst he is a more naturally gifted footballer than his older brother he is known to be a little bit selfish amongst the coaching ranks, a good development program would probably be able to get that out of him, this is coming straight from the coaches at stingrays so dont shot the messenger.

They believe he is 2nd rounder in this draft but depending the reaction to his attitude he could potentially slip to late 2nd rounder or even early 3rd.

Great friend of mine went to the draft combine with the assistant coach of the stingrays. According to the asst coach only club at the draft combine who made serious enquiries about Zac Jones with the coaches of stingrays was the Swans.

The feedback on him that whilst he is a more naturally gifted footballer than his older brother he is known to be a little bit selfish amongst the coaching ranks, a good development program would probably be able to get that out of him, this is coming straight from the coaches at stingrays so dont shot the messenger.

They believe he is 2nd rounder in this draft but depending the reaction to his attitude he could potentially slip to late 2nd rounder or even early 3rd.

Probably watches his brother get burnt by his teammates every week, and figures he has to be a selfish player to survive.

Never said it was fact. Just reporting a quote, like everyone else. And to be honest, I'd be a lot happier to use pick 20 on Z.Jones than trade it for Vince.. So I hope its true.

Do you even understand the phrase you used?

"If I'm not mistaken" implies that you believe it to be true.

Based on a Facebook page.

Despite the fact any team would be mad and grossly negligent to have made any such promise this far out from the draft, and when draft picks can still change hands.

When you have no real idea if Jones is actually even close to being worth that pick, but you've fallen for the baseless romanticism of drafting an existing player's brother.

It defies all common sense, and you were posting it as if it was your truth because you had some sort of real knowledge of the situation, not because you are silly enough to believe something written on a nameless faceless bloody fb page spouting crap.

Do you even understand the phrase you used?

"If I'm not mistaken" implies that you believe it to be true.

Based on a Facebook page.

Despite the fact any team would be mad and grossly negligent to have made any such promise this far out from the draft, and when draft picks can still change hands.

When you have no real idea if Jones is actually even close to being worth that pick, but you've fallen for the baseless romanticism of drafting an existing player's brother.

It defies all common sense, and you were posting it as if it was your truth because you had some sort of real knowledge of the situation, not because you are silly enough to believe something written on a nameless faceless bloody fb page spouting crap.

Why such an angry ant today?

Do you even understand the phrase you used?

"If I'm not mistaken" implies that you believe it to be true.

Based on a Facebook page.

Despite the fact any team would be mad and grossly negligent to have made any such promise this far out from the draft, and when draft picks can still change hands.

When you have no real idea if Jones is actually even close to being worth that pick, but you've fallen for the baseless romanticism of drafting an existing player's brother.

It defies all common sense, and you were posting it as if it was your truth because you had some sort of real knowledge of the situation, not because you are silly enough to believe something written on a nameless faceless bloody fb page spouting crap.

Cut nerd alert. Take a breather and lift some weights, might make you less agitated

Not angry or "cut", just matter of fact.

Stupid is stupid.

Not angry or "cut", just matter of fact.

Stupid is stupid.

Is that you Jose?

Is that you Jose?

M, don't take a page out of Ben's book. I enjoy your posts. FWIW, I enjoy Ben's too, but usually only when he's not King Insecurity.

I'd be interested to know how many posters have actually watched Z Jones enough to make an accurate and valid assessment. I hope the sample isn't simply one or two YouTube clips. I wouldn't be shattered if we used pick 20 on Vince and Lyons, because I'm not privy to how hard players are avoiding us. Under different circumstances, I wouldn't entertain them for that pick, but we may have to.

Mundy, Butler, Gilmore, Willits, Polo, T Murphy, Dempsey, Bower, Stanley, Grigg, Hislop, Urquahart, Ward, Notte, Maric A, Strauss, Swift, Ballantyne, Griffiths, Fyfe, Bastinac, Smith, Pitt, Lamb.

They are the picks 19 - 21 from 2003 to 2010. Of the 24 picks I reckon there are 4 or 5 good players - Mundy, Ward, Fyfe, Bastinac. There are some ok players - Grigg, Ballantyne and Smith.

If we trade pick 20 for Vince given our situation I'll be thinking we've done a sensible thing. If we get Lyon as well it will be robbery.

Freo have really done well from picks in that range.

Mundy, Butler, Gilmore, Willits, Polo, T Murphy, Dempsey, Bower, Stanley, Grigg, Hislop, Urquahart, Ward, Notte, Maric A, Strauss, Swift, Ballantyne, Griffiths, Fyfe, Bastinac, Smith, Pitt, Lamb.

They are the picks 19 - 21 from 2003 to 2010. Of the 24 picks I reckon there are 4 or 5 good players - Mundy, Ward, Fyfe, Bastinac. There are some ok players - Grigg, Ballantyne and Smith.

If we trade pick 20 for Vince given our situation I'll be thinking we've done a sensible thing. If we get Lyon as well it will be robbery.

Lamb is a good player, but otherwise I agree.

Josh Mahoney said on Adelaide radio that the dees want to trade for Vince but will NOT use pick 2

Josh Mahoney said on Adelaide radio that the dees want to trade for Vince but will NOT use pick 2

HUN is saying that GWS have interviewed Vince as well but no formal offer has been made... yet. Seems like there is some interest in him but it sounds like we have actually made a contract offer and are keen to deal, which will probably be around Pick 20. GWS are probably the only club who could trump if they were keen enough to offer their compo pick in the first round.

Also says in the article we have interviewed Jarryd Lyons as well - we have two weeks left to take Vince and Lyons for Pick 20 if we can pull it off...

If we trade pick 20 for Vince given our situation I'll be thinking we've done a sensible thing. If we get Lyon as well it will be robbery.

I will defend the club on the robbery charge. Would be happy to do it.

With Shaw at GWS next year, taking up a good portion of their cap.

Bodes well for us in recruiting Vince, if they're our competition.

With Shaw at GWS next year, taking up a good portion of their cap.

Bodes well for us in recruiting Vince, if they're our competition.

You would think so. Also, they have so many (young) mids, not to mention Scully. Do they even need a player like Vince?

I can only think as a mentor, but I've never thought of Vince as being particularly strong in that area.

Josh Mahoney said on Adelaide radio that the dees want to trade for Vince but will NOT use pick 2

Audio's here if anyone's interested:

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_josh-mahoney-melbourne-footy-ops-manager-on-vince_107650

Mundy, Butler, Gilmore, Willits, Polo, T Murphy, Dempsey, Bower, Stanley, Grigg, Hislop, Urquahart, Ward, Notte, Maric A, Strauss, Swift, Ballantyne, Griffiths, Fyfe, Bastinac, Smith, Pitt, Lamb.

They are the picks 19 - 21 from 2003 to 2010. Of the 24 picks I reckon there are 4 or 5 good players - Mundy, Ward, Fyfe, Bastinac. There are some ok players - Grigg, Ballantyne and Smith.

If we trade pick 20 for Vince given our situation I'll be thinking we've done a sensible thing. If we get Lyon as well it will be robbery.

A very astute analagoy and I read somewhere recently that this is the exact same method Paul Roos uses when determining a draft pick's worth (although can't remember if it was hearsay or fact).

Vince would be a good get as a 2nd round exchange. Crows want to get in now before he becomes a free agent next year (and maybe no compo). Offer our "Sylvia compo" likely pick 22.

If we can 3-4 good mids, we may start ... um, er, well, hmm ... even to be ... yes here it comes ..."COMPETITIVE".

Apparently GWS are after Bernie as well

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-club-champion-bernie-vince-met-with-greater-western-sydney-before-us-adventure/story-fnahsgl5-1226739828999

Are there any Dees players who managed anything like these figures this year?

Season Highlights 2013

27 disps (16 kicks 11 hballs), 3 marks, 4 tackles and a goal in Rd 21 17-pt loss to the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium (18 Aug 2013)

25 disps (20 kicks 5 hballs), 6 marks, 6 tackles and a goal in Rd 18 22-pt loss to Fremantle at Patersons Stadium (27 Jul 2013)

25 disps (16 kicks 9 hballs), 4 marks, 4 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 17 2-pt win over Geelong at AAMI Stadium (21 Jul 2013)

21 disps (17 kicks 4 hballs) and 6 marks in Rd 16 27-pt loss to Collingwood at the MCG (12 Jul 2013)

21 disps (16 kicks 5 hballs), 6 marks and 4 tackles in Rd 15 6-pt loss to West Coast at AAMI Stadium (6 Jul 2013)

25 disps (17 kicks 8 hballs), 7 tackles and a goal in Rd 11 77-pt loss to Sydney at AAMI Stadium (8 Jun 2013)

21 disps (17 kicks 4 hballs), 4 marks and 2 goals in Rd 9 1-pt win over North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium (26 May 2013)

26 disps (14 kicks 12 hballs), 8 marks and 2 goals in Rd 7 135-pt win over GWS at Skoda Stadium (12 May 2013)

21 disps (15 kicks 6 hballs), 7 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 5 32-pt loss to Carlton at the MCG (27 Apr 2013)

I hate nothing more than selective data, this is like hearing journos say the Hawks kicked more goals without Franklin - because Franklin was rested the vast majority of times they played against GWS and GC in their opening seasons.

Please don't bring up this guys statistics, I would say they're far from spectacular as you've eluded to here and would rate our very own Nathan Jones a better player.

In saying this I would still like the club to obtain him as he would add some valued maturity and depth to our list.

Josh Mahoney said on Adelaide radio that the dees want to trade for Vince but will NOT use pick 2

Haha thank goodness, thanks dazzle.