Just out of curiosity, how many if the anti-vince people on here have watched him play? I mean actually watched him, not just highlights and stats? Forget the fact that he is 28, or that he is "apparently" having knee issues, if you can get a guy in your team who adds class and experience, who will be one of your best 2 mids, then get him. Furthermore, when you acknowledge we've lost Sylvia and that we will be compensated with a pick of equal value, then that only adds to the urgency in which we should sign him.

The guy has polish and knows how to find the footy, and a change for him away from the Adelaide fishbowl will do him wonders. Pick 20 is possibly overs, but a lot of water goes under the bridge before we can know that, ie- pick 2's future.

Happy to say but I've watched him enough to know he will be a good performer for us and will add more than what col has over the past few years, and more than he would have if he'd stayed. Not that I'm rubbishing col.

  On 17/10/2013 at 06:33, Generation dee said:

Just out of curiosity, how many if the anti-vince people on here have watched him play? I mean actually watched him, not just highlights and stats? Forget the fact that he is 28, or that he is "apparently" having knee issues, if you can get a guy in your team who adds class and experience, who will be one of your best 2 mids, then get him. Furthermore, when you acknowledge we've lost Sylvia and that we will be compensated with a pick of equal value, then that only adds to the urgency in which we should sign him.

The guy has polish and knows how to find the footy, and a change for him away from the Adelaide fishbowl will do him wonders. Pick 20 is possibly overs, but a lot of water goes under the bridge before we can know that, ie- pick 2's future.

Happy to say but I've watched him enough to know he will be a good performer for us and will add more than what col has over the past few years, and more than he would have if he'd stayed. Not that I'm rubbishing col.

I'm pretty sure we'd at least get more consistency than the output from Sylvia having watched him closely. He does have some polish. You make some good points on his game. There's not a lot out there available, he does have experience and a few years left in him. I hope he can bring the right attitude and I'm confident Roos can work on him.

Deal with Vince will most likely be all signed up by Monday. Win-win IMO.

  On 17/10/2013 at 06:49, H_T said:

I'm pretty sure we'd at least get more consistency than the output from Sylvia having watched him closely. He does have some polish. You make some good points on his game. There's not a lot out there available, he does have experience and a few years left in him. I hope he can bring the right attitude and I'm confident Roos can work on him.

Bingo! Nothing against michie, I think he will be a very good player, and nothing against Lyons and his short career, but vince has the rums on the board and adds class, in a trade period which very shallow pickings in offer, he could prove to be one of the better acquisitions. We are in agreeance though- Sylvia and his inconsistencies were something we needed to lose to go forward, and the inclusion of vince is a positive start

Mr Accuracy, Michelangelo Rucci, posted late this arvo:

"Adelaide wants its impending trade of club champion Bernie Vince to return Melbourne's compensation pick for losing Colin Sylvia to Fremantle as a free agent. This pick - between 21 and 25 - could have trumped Port in its bidding with Brisbane."

That would make sense according to Spirit of Norm Smith's post about Monday, given the compo will be handed out by then.

Clearly this is a bit rich for Vince looking at the trade in isolation. Hopefully as others have said it contributes to us having a better year and being a more enticing/less repugnant destination for players (including our own) beyond 2014.

  On 17/10/2013 at 07:17, spirit of norm smith said:

Deal with Vince will most likely be all signed up by Monday. Win-win IMO.

Very happy wiht this

thanks SNS

I have no issues with Vince if it is the Sylvia compo pick.

Sylvia left for a flag...

Vince wants to come to us even if its for the money.. He is a good player and we will be more competitive next year with him in the guts with jones and viney and whoever we get with pick 2...

U may argue his only coming for the money but so did Dawes and Clark, but one thing bout them 2 is when there on the park u can at least tell they put 110% effort unlike most the team... Just a shame they didn't play 1 game together..

  On 17/10/2013 at 11:21, raikkonen_64 said:

Sylvia left for a flag...

Vince wants to come to us even if its for the money.. He is a good player and we will be more competitive next year with him in the guts with jones and viney and whoever we get with pick 2...

U may argue his only coming for the money but so did Dawes and Clark, but one thing bout them 2 is when there on the park u can at least tell they put 110% effort unlike most the team... Just a shame they didn't play 1 game together..

Maybe I'm pedantic but really what Vince (like Dawes) will be coming for is financial security and opportunity to play in his preferred position with a coach that believes in him. Money makes it sound so distasteful.

By putting him through the process regardless of outcome Adelaide have signaled their intentions of a limited .role in the future behind younger midfielders and with him becoming a free agent next year they at a whim of the market in terms of compensation if he then becomes unhappy. We are giving him 3+1 if he's up to it years and at least for next year prime time spot in the midfield. If he doesn't think Adelaide will win the flag in the next 24 months then it's a smart move.

One thing that could come back to hurt us but could also really help us is Vince's personality and media profile.

Not to mention we get Vince now, we've already got Clisby, move Mitch Clark into the ruck and come on down Tex Walker to move to Melbourne with his old house mate and a good mate in Clisby!

  On 17/10/2013 at 11:37, the master said:

Maybe I'm pedantic but really what Vince (like Dawes) will be coming for is financial security and opportunity to play in his preferred position with a coach that believes in him. Money makes it sound so distasteful.

By putting him through the process regardless of outcome Adelaide have signaled their intentions of a limited .role in the future behind younger midfielders and with him becoming a free agent next year they at a whim of the market in terms of compensation if he then becomes unhappy. We are giving him 3+1 if he's up to it years and at least for next year prime time spot in the midfield. If he doesn't think Adelaide will win the flag in the next 24 months then it's a smart move.

One thing that could come back to hurt us but could also really help us is Vince's personality and media profile.

Not to mention we get Vince now, we've already got Clisby, move Mitch Clark into the ruck and come on down Tex Walker to move to Melbourne with his old house mate and a good mate in Clisby!

Lol its funny how Tex Walker has possibly two of his best mates at Melbourne now...

More then Welcome to join them Tex ;-)

  On 17/10/2013 at 11:39, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol its funny how Tex Walker has possibly two of his best mates at Melbourne now...

More then Welcome to join them Tex ;-)

He could be the big body midfielder we are looking for!

  On 17/10/2013 at 11:39, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol its funny how Tex Walker has possibly two of his best mates at Melbourne now...

More then Welcome to join them Tex ;-)

and wouldn't it be great to have few boys with some flair & attitude for fun, but with the discipline to Win. back to the Schwarta future. no more choir boys & desk clerks.

  On 17/10/2013 at 10:55, DemonAndrew said:

I have no issues with Vince if it is the Sylvia compo pick.

That might be two picks before our second rounder, the very next pick after our second rounder (my educated guess), or pick 38.

I don't think there will be a substantive difference between our second round pick and the comp pick.

  On 17/10/2013 at 11:37, the master said:

Maybe I'm pedantic but really what Vince (like Dawes) will be coming for is financial security and opportunity to play in his preferred position with a coach that believes in him. Money makes it sound so distasteful.

By putting him through the process regardless of outcome Adelaide have signaled their intentions of a limited .role in the future behind younger midfielders and with him becoming a free agent next year they at a whim of the market in terms of compensation if he then becomes unhappy. We are giving him 3+1 if he's up to it years and at least for next year prime time spot in the midfield. If he doesn't think Adelaide will win the flag in the next 24 months then it's a smart move.

One thing that could come back to hurt us but could also really help us is Vince's personality and media profile.

Not to mention we get Vince now, we've already got Clisby, move Mitch Clark into the ruck and come on down Tex Walker to move to Melbourne with his old house mate and a good mate in Clisby!

Nail on the head, sir.

If we only get pick 38 ish for the Sylvia compo and Adelaide walk away, I see this as a big set back.

Vince is exactly what we need. We can't go into next year with the same midfield less Sylvia. (Although here's hoping Michie is a handy in)

  On 17/10/2013 at 19:26, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If we only get pick 38 ish for the Sylvia compo and Adelaide walk away, I see this as a big set back.

Vince is exactly what we need. We can't go into next year with the same midfield less Sylvia. (Although here's hoping Michie is a handy in)

I trust that our people are lobbying to ensure we get band 3. We were shafted last year over Moloney and Rivers and then over the failure to award draft assistance when we clearly qualified under the rules. Hopefully, someone at the helm is standing up for the club and not just acting as the AFL's lapdog on every subject that comes up.

Surely the AFL is aware that if we don't get the players that will make us competitive there won't be enough bums on seats when we play?

In his best and fairest year he was one of the best midfielders in the comp. Lets hope he can recapture that form.

  On 17/10/2013 at 20:36, Pipefitter said:

In his best and fairest year he was one of the best midfielders in the comp. Lets hope he can recapture that form.

Let's hope so, but in saying that, we don't need him to be a superstar, just a valuable contributor to our midfield for 20 games a year. And a couple more like him to go with Jones and Viney.

That was 4 seasons ago.

Now he's a contributor, and a relatively inconsistent one at that...his best is better than Sylvia, but it'd be a fairly like for like replacement.

  On 17/10/2013 at 20:43, DemonAndrew said:

That was 4 seasons ago.

Now he's a contributor, and a relatively inconsistent one at that...his best is better than Sylvia, but it'd be a fairly like for like replacement.

A like for like replacement is what we need

Hence why it should be for the compo pick at best.

Smells a bit of the Johnston trade we did with Brisbane a few years back.

But it's true we can't go into next year with a less experienced midfield than last year following the loss of Sylvia. Even with Michie he has only played one game.

  On 17/10/2013 at 20:49, DemonAndrew said:

Hence why it should be for the compo pick at best.

At best?

It's either Band 2 - a couple picks behind our 2nd rounder, Band 3 - the very next pick behind our second rounder, or Pick 38 - and that won't be good enough off it to be relevant.

So I don't care to quibble over whether we give them Pick 22 instead of 23 if it comes to that...

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-18/trade-winds-friday

afl.com claims we've agreed to trade sylvia compo pick for Vince.

I don't understand why compo picks aren't announced almost immediately. Waiting til the end of FA only hold up trades. I assume it is to do with a compo changing die to other signings. Just another failing in the system. Would be readier to give a compo pick die each deserved FA movement rather than the complicated net loss/gain system which is only going to be exploited (ie not signing an FA so as not to dilute the compo) and is rather pointless given that the system is unlikely to yield more than a handful of FA movements each year across 18 clubs so a combination gain and loss is the unlikely case, not the norm.

  On 17/10/2013 at 22:35, deanox said:

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-18/trade-winds-friday

afl.com claims we've agreed to trade sylvia compo pick for Vince.

I don't understand why compo picks aren't announced almost immediately. Waiting til the end of FA only hold up trades. I assume it is to do with a compo changing die to other signings.

Is it today clubs find out what compo picks they receive?