This thread reminds me why we were a club that took Cook before Darling...

This thread reminds me there are people out there silly enough to think that Dusty Martin's situation has any correlation to drafting either Cook or Darling...

"MELBOURNE is considering parting with Pick No.2 in the national draft to land Dustin Martin.

The Herald Sun has learnt Demons coach Paul Roos has had several discussions with Martin’s manager Ralph Carr in the past week.

The Demons could also use its priority pick if it was to receive one from the AFL."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-tells-richmond-he-wants-to-pursue-offers-from-other-clubs/story-fn69a32t-1226720108583

I hope he is also talking to his minder.

This thread reminds me there are people out there silly enough to think that Dusty Martin's situation has any correlation to drafting either Cook or Darling...

Really? You really can't work out how they're related?.....

I'm gonna say no.

Good player, but would be massively over-priced and is a tool.

Get him.

If roos wants him.. I want him.

I can work out what makes you think they're in some way related...

Just my opinion, I think Id rather wait to see what starts falling from trees as a result of him leaving and going somewhere than actually going after him.There will be knock ons and this might prove more fruitful and less destructive to our fledgling rebuild of a culture

I can work out what makes you think they're in some way related...

If you can't understand how us being scared of a bad boy superstar like Martin is like us being scared of a bad boy superstar like Darling then I don't see the point in having discussions with you.

Let me tell you a story

Dan Hannebery:

- Wasn't close to peak fitness in first season, rocked up in poor condition

- Egging incident on muck up day

- Was in a caravan that rolled through a campsite at falls festival over Christmas period

- Loves a night out when back in town due to split round etc with his old school mates

All very minor things and to say he was some part of bad culture would be crazy. He's a freak gut runner and hard as can be as witnessed in last years grand final. But that's a so called wrap sheet of a guy who's been playing in Sydney. Now who knows what is true of Martin but his wrap sheet has Hannebery's well and truly covered.

My point is how much will the Sydney culture theory work when implemented in Melbourne.

I'd love to get Martin. But if we do then I hope we are prepared for the occasional off field drama because I doubt a Tiger changes his spots.

The question is how good is he on field? Has he even improved much from his first year? Does he do enough two way running and in and under work? I was at the Rich v Carl final and I saw a lot of great stuff from Judd, Cotchin and Murphy, but especially when the momentum swung I didn't see much of Dusty.

I will leave it to Roos.

But he is high maintenance with issues and apparently has been offered $650k by the Saints..

I reckon we will pass on him.

My tigers mate thinks he has been approached by the hawks. Buddy leaving frees up the dollars, Hodge, Mitchell and Sewell all pushing 30.

If you can't understand how us being scared of a bad boy superstar like Martin is like us being scared of a bad boy superstar like Darling then I don't see the point in having discussions with you.

I would remind you that Darling had a brain injury and a poor under 18 year and that every club including West Coast passed on him at least once. Martin now appears to be set to leave the club, which is ironic that Scully did the same thing but even us recruiting Martin now in some ways would justify not recruiting him at the time.

But you raise a valid point.

not so funny really, when its what people new on face value.

& on face value they would be correct. word was also that we didn't even bother to talk to him. this apparent attitude angered many, in the face of many very bad recruiting decision prior to that year, & since.

..... so, no, you don't get to laugh at the posters, who rightly said we should have been more open to talking to all the top draftees. the posters were right we should talk to all the Rnd 1 potentials... & let the supporters know we did as well. After all, its the supporters wherewithall the club spends.

after all that said, in hindsight its a big no now for Martin, from me anyway.

cunnington, freeman, Adams, ++++++ there must be a number of players we can talk to.

I still think it's funny, hindsight is a lovely thing with many things, and it's the same with our recruiting. But at the same time everyone said how well we did out of the drafts, because at the time they were the best junior players!

There was no way anyone would have taken Martin over Scully or trengove on draft day, but on current form sure, having said that the reason how Martin was loyal and signed his lucrative contract at Richmond was people's reasoning and yes that is funny to me.

Let me tell you a story

Dan Hannebery:

- Wasn't close to peak fitness in first season, rocked up in poor condition

- Egging incident on muck up day

- Was in a caravan that rolled through a campsite at falls festival over Christmas period

- Loves a night out when back in town due to split round etc with his old school mates

All very minor things and to say he was some part of bad culture would be crazy. He's a freak gut runner and hard as can be as witnessed in last years grand final. But that's a so called wrap sheet of a guy who's been playing in Sydney. Now who knows what is true of Martin but his wrap sheet has Hannebery's well and truly covered.

My point is how much will the Sydney culture theory work when implemented in Melbourne.

I'd love to get Martin. But if we do then I hope we are prepared for the occasional off field drama because I doubt a Tiger changes his spots.

The question is how good is he on field? Has he even improved much from his first year? Does he do enough two way running and in and under work? I was at the Rich v Carl final and I saw a lot of great stuff from Judd, Cotchin and Murphy, but especially when the momentum swung I didn't see much of Dusty.

Has just turned 22. So comparing him to Judd is a little unfair.

Also, he has improved each season in nearly every category:

I can't wait to see what some of those commenting that we shouldn't go near him with a barge pole, will say about Roos if he were to take him on. Should be interesting :-)

Why? If Roos wants him he has more of a say than we do, and all we can do is trust his judgement. I may not like it, but it's his call.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/new-melbourne-president-glen-bartlett-says-demons-need-more-mongrel-on-and-off-the-field/story-fni5f91a-1226699392012

stu - That Ben Hur quote still makes me laugh. Ah. So good.

In all seriousness, despite his injury concerns or whatever has been hampering him, Trenners looks to have been a good selection on the integrity front.

Nick Davis - One of the laziest players ever.

Rhyce Shaw - An original "rat pack" member, involved in drink driving incidents.

Barry Hall - Was always seen as an on-field ticking time bomb.

Spida Everitt - Can't think of a major factor but come on, it's Spida.

You're talking about on field issues and Shaw had a bit part in the Didak biz.

No one is saying Martin can't play, it's off field that seems to be the problem.

Roos doesn't have a history of picking these type of players at all.

My tigers mate thinks he has been approached by the hawks. Buddy leaving frees up the dollars, Hodge, Mitchell and Sewell all pushing 30.

Who will they get to replace Buddy?

Hale, Burgoyne, Gibson, Guerra, Lake, Hodge, Mitchell, Osborne, and Sewell are all pushing 30 or over.

This year and next year are probably their best shots at another flag before a minor rebuild so I reckon they'd be chasing a FF rather than a mid if Buddy does go.

But who knows!

Edited September 16, 201311 yr by PJ_12345

Has just turned 22. So comparing him to Judd is a little unfair.

Also, he has improved each season in nearly every category:

Improvement. But a victim of his fast start I'd say. Not enough goals or tackles but otherwise ok numbers. Will he go to the next level though? Otherwise we use pick 2 as a trade for a more steady on and off field player or we go the draft. They aren't superstar numbers.

Who will they get to replace Buddy?

Hale, Burgoyne, Gibson, Guerra, Lake, Hodge, Mitchell, Osborne, and Sewell are all pushing 30 or over.

This year and next year are probably their best shots at another flag before a minor rebuild so I reckon they'd be chasing a FF rather than a mid if Buddy does go.

But who knows!

You're forgetting this years Coleman medallist...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/new-melbourne-president-glen-bartlett-says-demons-need-more-mongrel-on-and-off-the-field/story-fni5f91a-1226699392012

Mongrel 'stuie', not dh.

Have met Dusty a couple times, a very different unit but he is not the monster that some on here make him out to be.

Although he was good mates with Connors, there is a large difference. Connors was a loud, obnoxious tool at times where Dusty would just sit around quietly. Not saying he is an angel but he is not a massive trouble maker like some here seem to beleive.

Yes he is loose but he is a super player with an amazing leg on him and is only going to get better over the next three years.

I can't understand why people don't want him for the role model/image side of things but anyone who can get 25 touches and kick a sausage a game is ok by me.

Welcome Dusty, look forward to a few sharpies on a Sunday with you at the Geebung as long as we notch up a W over the weekend.

Let me tell you a story

Dan Hannebery:

- Wasn't close to peak fitness in first season, rocked up in poor condition

- Egging incident on muck up day

- Was in a caravan that rolled through a campsite at falls festival over Christmas period

- Loves a night out when back in town due to split round etc with his old school mates

All very minor things and to say he was some part of bad culture would be crazy. He's a freak gut runner and hard as can be as witnessed in last years grand final. But that's a so called wrap sheet of a guy who's been playing in Sydney. Now who knows what is true of Martin but his wrap sheet has Hannebery's well and truly covered.

My point is how much will the Sydney culture theory work when implemented in Melbourne.

I'd love to get Martin. But if we do then I hope we are prepared for the occasional off field drama because I doubt a Tiger changes his spots.

The question is how good is he on field? Has he even improved much from his first year? Does he do enough two way running and in and under work? I was at the Rich v Carl final and I saw a lot of great stuff from Judd, Cotchin and Murphy, but especially when the momentum swung I didn't see much of Dusty.

Has just turned 22. So comparing him to Judd is a little unfair.

Also, he has improved each season in nearly every category:

Yeah comparing him to a two time Brownlow winner, premiership winning captain, five time Australian and multiple club best and fairests is a bit of a long stretch.

I would remind you that Darling had a brain injury and a poor under 18 year and that every club including West Coast passed on him at least once. Martin now appears to be set to leave the club, which is ironic that Scully did the same thing but even us recruiting Martin now in some ways would justify not recruiting him at the time.

But you raise a valid point.

@ Pick #26 2010 National Draft it wasn't such a bad risk...

Pick 2, is another matter entirely... P2, for Adams + Pick 10,, I would definately go for.

Improvement. But a victim of his fast start I'd say. Not enough goals or tackles but otherwise ok numbers. Will he go to the next level though? Otherwise we use pick 2 as a trade for a more steady on and off field player or we go the draft. They aren't superstar numbers.

He only just turned 22.

Remember, he was the pick behind Trengove...