I would guess this has been addressed (I only tap into this thread occasionally) but having Fletcher and Watson represent Australia would certainly spark interest from international media.

Playing banned atheletes would be the main topic when reporters quiz coaches and captain regarding the tour.

I didn't realise that the result of this was so weak.

So you would need to go back to the Festina scandal in 1998 when the entire team were banned.

Bing181 you might find this article interesting. Someone has compiled what they call the 15 biggest doping scandals in cycling going back to the very first evidence of doping in 1886. I didn't realise that Tom Simpson who is so famous for dying in the middle of le Tour on Mount Ventoux in 1967 that there is a monument on the spot where he died, tested positive for amphetamines in his autopsy. Also didn't know that Eddy Merckx tested positive at the 1969 Giro and was banned. Here is the url to the article if you or anyone else is interested. http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/06/15/15-biggest-doping-scandals-in-cycling-history/#1

IT the phrase "they all doped" in the Tour goes back to the beginning even as simple as riders being drunk. They used to stop off at cafe's grab as much wine and beer as they can carry and ride on.

beyond laughable.... its plain embarrassing !!

Regard it as a portent of things to come

A pattern in the tealeaves

Auspices

Signs of benificent favour from the gods

Ordained by entities in the AFL who mortgaged their souls long long ago ...

Why would the AFL allow someone who refused to challenge/answer a show cause notice and now is on the registry of findings to play for Australia?

Does anyone know how many Essendon people work for the AFL?

Why would the AFL allow someone who refused to challenge/answer a show cause notice and now is on the registry of findings to play for Australia?

Does anyone know how many Essendon people work for the AFL?

enough !!

Why would the AFL allow someone who refused to challenge/answer a show cause notice and now is on the registry of findings to play for Australia?

Does anyone know how many Essendon people work for the AFL?

Clarkson should just bench them.

Clarkson should just bench them.

Yep...someone should play the 'trump" card for sure.

enough !!

I am starting to see a pattern here

I thought the comment from Evans regarding his not knowing the identity of the 34 due to privacy reasons as beyond laughable but blatantly a lie.

As is the AFL...as is the Football operations manager , wouldnt know who they were...ffs

That whole mob is corrupt

I would guess this has been addressed (I only tap into this thread occasionally) but having Fletcher and Watson represent Australia would certainly spark interest from international media.

Playing banned atheletes would be the main topic when reporters quiz coaches and captain regarding the tour.

The Irish are hardly in a position to judge though...

CRISTIANO Ronaldo, Sergio Aguero, Gareth Bale, David Silva and James Rodriguez will descend on Melbourne in late July when Real Madrid and Manchester City lock horns at the MCG.

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I thought the comment from Evans regarding his not knowing the identity of the 34 due to privacy reasons as beyond laughable but blatantly a lie.

As is the AFL...as is the Football operations manager , wouldnt know who they were...ffs

That whole mob is corrupt

I'm not sure the angst here. The HS named them all in an article about 9 months ago - it is public knowledge. It was about Matk Robinson's only exclusive in this whole affair, and done with very dubious journalistic ethics.

I would guess this has been addressed (I only tap into this thread occasionally) but having Fletcher and Watson represent Australia would certainly spark interest from international media.

Playing banned atheletes would be the main topic when reporters quiz coaches and captain regarding the tour.

If there was an ASADA/WADA question overhanging an athlete or swimmer, would they be allowed to compete in further meets?

I'm not sure the angst here. The HS named them all in an article about 9 months ago - it is public knowledge. It was about mark Robinson's only exclusive in this whole affair, and done with very dubious journalistic ethics.

thats the point..everyone knows wtf they are and for idiot Evans to shuffle out that load of garbage is beyond the pale.

If there was an ASADA/WADA question overhanging an athlete or swimmer, would they be allowed to compete in further meets?

NO

The Irish are hardly in a position to judge though...

Their position may not be squeaky clean but it's far more impressive than what has been on show in the AFL/NRL.

Why would the AFL allow someone who refused to challenge/answer a show cause notice and now is on the registry of findings to play for Australia?

Does anyone know how many Essendon people work for the AFL?

Good point. They haven't challenged the notices.

IT the phrase "they all doped" in the Tour goes back to the beginning even as simple as riders being drunk. They used to stop off at cafe's grab as much wine and beer as they can carry and ride on.

Good point. They even used to smoke cigarettes while riding, especially in preparation for the mountain stages. The theory was smoking opened up your lungs and increased your lung capacity. There was a great full size photo in a bike shop in Sydney of four riders riding in le Tour sharing cigarettes.

Good point. They even used to smoke cigarettes while riding, especially in preparation for the mountain stages. The theory was smoking opened up your lungs and increased your lung capacity. There was a great full size photo in a bike shop in Sydney of four riders riding in le Tour sharing cigarettes.

That theory must have come from the Herald-Sun

So you would need to go back to the Festina scandal in 1998 when the entire team were banned.

Actually, no again.

The Festina riders were forced out of the Tour that year by the Tour promoters. Individual riders were sanctioned - though most for only 6-8 months - but there was no UCI ban of Festina, and the Festina team continued to race (with non-suspended riders).

Once again, to my knowledge, there have never been any WADA-connected bans of teams, and it certainly hasn't happened in cycling. Will be interesting to see what happens at Essendon. As has been pointed out already, this is a first.

It was partly in response to the Festina affair (amongst others) that WADA was setup and the penalties and rules started to get much tougher.

Good point. They even used to smoke cigarettes while riding, especially in preparation for the mountain stages. The theory was smoking opened up your lungs and increased your lung capacity. There was a great full size photo in a bike shop in Sydney of four riders riding in le Tour sharing cigarettes.

I like the story about Ernest Schackleton and his crew who were marooned in the Antatctic for over a year on the ice. In his log he said he ordered that only the barest essential supplies be taken from his stricken ship and that included tobacco rations for all hands. Of course they all survived their monumental trek to safety.

I'm not sure the angst here. The HS named them all in an article about 9 months ago - it is public knowledge. It was about Matk Robinson's only exclusive in this whole affair, and done with very dubious journalistic ethics.

Not all 34. I think he named 12 current EFC players suspected of being involved plus a couple who were no longer at the club.

You're right with your comment about the dubious journalistic ethics.

Not all 34. I think he named 12 current EFC players suspected of being involved plus a couple who were no longer at the club.

You're right with your comment about the dubious journalistic ethics.

Do they have ethics?

Good point. They even used to smoke cigarettes while riding, especially in preparation for the mountain stages. The theory was smoking opened up your lungs and increased your lung capacity. There was a great full size photo in a bike shop in Sydney of four riders riding in le Tour sharing cigarettes.

Big difference: as far as I am aware cigarettes were not and probably still are not banned substances.

Not all 34. I think he named 12 current EFC players suspected of being involved plus a couple who were no longer at the club.

You're right with your comment about the dubious journalistic ethics.

oxymoron

She gets it ~ the AFL doesn't

Discretion not the better part of this decision