Jump to content

Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>



Recommended Posts

Posted

Prepare yourself for all sorts of interested parties putting in their two bob's worth to save the 18 team competition so that the competition's financial resources can be shored up.

Anything to avoid a hearing into whether anybody was given banned drugs. The AFL is in trouble.

Stuart Crameri says thanks.

  • Like 1

Posted

I still find this hard to believe

"Players association calls for ASADA to show evidence"

Is it so hard to believe that they would not issue show cause notices or pursue sanctions unless they knew they had enough backing it?

Clearly the club has worked that out, hence going straight to the Federal Court and hoping for a technicality rather than answering the show cause notices.

The rules of engagement for ASADA and WADA I think are are different to usual legal processes whereby you get charged, are shown evidence and have it tested in court.

Instead, ASADA issues show cause notices and your have to respond to prove your innocence. You can probably challenge it later but it probably has to work that way to stop, say athletes issuing legal procedings in order tha they can compete at the Olympics for example. Its possible if this were the not case that you could compete at the Olympics by tying up WADA in legal battles for years until your running career is over and you have already run at the olympics. Then it won't matter.

Posted

Anyone with half a brain can work out what's going on here.

A certain party with a vested interest in discrediting the ASADA process has leaked certain information through its media flunkies while others in the industry (hello Peter Gordon whose club bought a pup called Crameri) and outside it have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Fact of the matter is that if ASADA doesn't get the EFC, Hird, Dank and any player who ingested banned drugs, then WADA will. In the meantime, we will soon become the laughing stock of world sport.

  • Like 3
Posted

Anyone with half a brain can work out what's going on here.

A certain party with a vested interest in discrediting the ASADA process has leaked certain information through its media flunkies while others in the industry (hello Peter Gordon whose club bought a pup called Crameri) and outside it have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Fact of the matter is that if ASADA doesn't get the EFC, Hird, Dank and any player who ingested banned drugs, then WADA will. In the meantime, we will soon become the laughing stock of world sport.

i wouldnt even call it "Certain information".

id call it deliberate mis-interpretation.

"the players CAN be given no punishment if it was found there was no fault"

ie in the case of that athlete who was given EPO on the operating table. whilst unconcious.

they signed wavers with the drugs listed on it!

  • Like 1
Posted

i wouldnt even call it "Certain information".

id call it deliberate mis-interpretation.

"the players CAN be given no punishment if it was found there was no fault"

ie in the case of that athlete who was given EPO on the operating table. whilst unconcious.

they signed wavers with the drugs listed on it!

Deliberate misinformation, I would suggest.

The pro Essendon camp is so determined to knock this on the head without a proper hearing of the facts that they will stoop to just about anything to muddy the waters and deflect from the fact that a massive programme of injecting supposedly unknown substances in the bodies of these players was carried out in 2012. Bring on the hearing I say.

Posted

Anyone with half a brain can work out what's going on here.

A certain party with a vested interest in discrediting the ASADA process has leaked certain information through its media flunkies while others in the industry (hello Peter Gordon whose club bought a pup called Crameri) and outside it have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Fact of the matter is that if ASADA doesn't get the EFC, Hird, Dank and any player who ingested banned drugs, then WADA will. In the meantime, we will soon become the laughing stock of world sport.

I am just staggered that Peter Gordon, who should know his law rules has even said this...!

  • Like 1
Posted

Anyone with half a brain can work out what's going on here.

A certain party with a vested interest in discrediting the ASADA process has leaked certain information through its media flunkies while others in the industry (hello Peter Gordon whose club bought a pup called Crameri) and outside it have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Fact of the matter is that if ASADA doesn't get the EFC, Hird, Dank and any player who ingested banned drugs, then WADA will. In the meantime, we will soon become the laughing stock of world sport.

Oh, now I get peter Gordon... Crameri

Posted

Anyone with half a brain can work out what's going on here.

A certain party with a vested interest in discrediting the ASADA process has leaked certain information through its media flunkies while others in the industry (hello Peter Gordon whose club bought a pup called Crameri) and outside it have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Fact of the matter is that if ASADA doesn't get the EFC, Hird, Dank and any player who ingested banned drugs, then WADA will. In the meantime, we will soon become the laughing stock of world sport.

WJ do you think all of this trial by media on ASADA will just make them even more determined to hammer Essendon to the wall in every way possible? I would if I worked at ASADA and have spent hours and how many $$$ on the investigation but I'm petty and vindictive ...

You don't see the same stories coming out of NSW about Cronulla.

Posted

WJ do you think all of this trial by media on ASADA will just make them even more determined to hammer Essendon to the wall in every way possible? I would if I worked at ASADA and have spent hours and how many $$$ on the investigation but I'm petty and vindictive ...

You don't see the same stories coming out of NSW about Cronulla.

I don't think the Bombers and their media acolytes are doing anything to improve their position but by the same token, from what I've heard about Ben McDevitt, he's a very shrewd customer and will continue to push ahead regardless till he gets his man (men) irrespective of the nonsense going on.

Meanwhile, there's nothing new under the sun

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou rubbishs reports of a deal with ASADA to reduce bans on Essendon

Posted

So they were happy to inject players with a substance without knowing what it was... Surely that breaches every duty of care law in existance

  • Like 1
Posted

well ..who else is enjoying the hilarious side show that is the "Essendon tries to divert blame and attention to anything game "

This lot have no shame whatsoever, morals having been ushered out the door years ago

Posted

"In terms of speculation about deals, about what supplements were taken, speculation is one thing but the facts are another thing," Hird said.

"Our players right now have not tested positive for one performance-enhancing drug, I think that's important for people to know.

"The NRL and Cronulla have their issues like we have our issues and we'll let them handle those.

"The Essendon Football Club invited ASADA and the AFL to come in and investigate our club and we've been fully co-operative with that investigation."

Sooooo many laughs

  • Like 1
Posted

No laughing matter for people like former ASADA CEO Richard Ings Drugs body should share evidence with players: Richard Ings

Ings suggests that ASADA should provide the players with the evidence it has against them to enable them to assess whether they should accept the deal that might be on the table. While that might achieve a speedier resolution to the matter, I don't know if ASADA should or could do that in terms of the procedures available to it and in the context of the process it started by issuing the Show-Cause notices. Perhaps an outline of the evidence might be enough to persuade them.

Ings also observed, "While we cannot know the advice that people like Rich Young have given in this particular case, we do know that in using the advice of an international expert like him, ASADA has accessed the best possible advice available."

Posted

Little

We are not guilty because our players did not take banned drugs.

Little again

We don't know what the players took, neither do ASADA

They are cooked


Posted

I recently spent some time in New York and whilst there I went to a show on Broadway. Stayed at a hotel near Times Square and it must have been the proximity to the theatre district that inspired me to write a play which I'm entitling "Nima, the Musical". It's about a deaf, dumb, blind compounding chemist who sure cooks up a mean soup of peptides but because of his physical condition is unable to locate the recipe.

  • Like 3
Posted

As a matter of interest can the EFC be sanctioned by ASADA if the players are indeed sanctioned? I know the AFL sanctioned the club last year but can the body charge them as well? Isn't there a clause that states that if 2 or more players are sanctioned then the club is penalised as well?

Also Work Cover haven't shown their hand yet. What penalties can be expected from them?

Posted

As a matter of interest can the EFC be sanctioned by ASADA if the players are indeed sanctioned? I know the AFL sanctioned the club last year but can the body charge them as well? Isn't there a clause that states that if 2 or more players are sanctioned then the club is penalised as well?

Also Work Cover haven't shown their hand yet. What penalties can be expected from them?

ASADA can certainly do just what it has a mandate to do, irregardless of the AFL and other codes wishing to run and hide. The league (s) know this and are just a bit concerned, hence all the 'propaganda " being trotted out by their lackies

Posted

Darren Kane in the SMH - Bombers, James Hird in game of high-stakes poker with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority

Well, we've known for some time that this tangled web strategy involves high stakes in terms of financial and emotional cost, the effect on on field performance, the risk to coaches jobs, the club and players being suspended and the disruption of future seasons etc but all these seem to be risks that Essendon is prepared to take to protect itself.

There's also another consideration that will have an impact in the coming weeks and months while the Federal Court action plays itself out.

How do the Bombers prepare themselves properly for the trade/draft period that could overlap the time in which the litigation is occurring?

Essendon has put itself behind the 8 ball in this regard:-

* draft sanctions from August 2013 have ruled it out of what would have been its normal first round draft selection (currently standing at around pick 10);

* with Essendon and Hird urging players not to pursue the discounts available for co-operation which might see them miss only the remainder of season 2014, they automatically limit the club's scope in trade/free agency calculations. In effect, the Bombers' ability to trade players would be severely impacted. No other club would want to pick up a player who might not be available until 2017 and where does this leave players aged 26 or above?

* how will Essendon deal with players subject to Show-Cause (or more properly by then, Infaction) Notices. If the club cuts the umbilical chord and allows a player or players to go, how does it know such players won't turn on it - there have been plenty of recent examples of the damage disgruntled ex-employees can inflict on clubs.

In other words, if the matter isn't brought to an early conclusion, Essendon's entire recruiting and list management strategy for the future will be severely disrupted.

I wonder if the Bombers have taken these matters into consideration when undertaking their strategy and I wonder if an ASADA, cogniscent of such factors, might adopt an attitude of allowing the proceedings to drag out to allow them to stew in their own (chemically compounded) juices?

Then of course, during this period James Hird's suspension time would be over and he would be back coaching ... oh, wait a minute.

  • Like 1
Posted

As a matter of interest can the EFC be sanctioned by ASADA if the players are indeed sanctioned? I know the AFL sanctioned the club last year but can the body charge them as well? Isn't there a clause that states that if 2 or more players are sanctioned then the club is penalised as well?

Also Work Cover haven't shown their hand yet. What penalties can be expected from them?

WADA CODE:

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports

If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.

Posted

I am just staggered that Peter Gordon, who should know his law rules has even said this...!

then again...maybe Im not...

Posted

WADA CODE:

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports

If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.

Given the EFC situation is unprecedented and the flow on impact any player infractions will have on the club I would think ASADA and WADA would largely allow the AFL to apply club sanctions that do not further damage the league. I could not see WADA stepping in to ban the entire club from the competition.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...