Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[monoccular 17,642]

I don't think the case was ever going to be a win for the AFL regardless. However I think there was more at stake with Hird and Vlad/Evans in conflict over what was said on the Vlad call made on the evening prior to the ACC announcement.

I think it was that Vlad and Evans would be under oath in the Reid case to state what was spoken about on the call made by Vlad to the EFC prior to the ACC announcement. There was risk of either perjury for either Vlad/Evans or Vlad possibly breach ACC confidentiality rules which would have looked bad for the AFL and Vlad. At the very least integrity was a stake and a disaster loomed for the AFL

Yes - integrity was at stake, and a disaster loomed for the AFL - and nothing has changed. What integrity there ever was has disappeared and Vlad / AFL look bloody stupid.

Edited February 5, 2014 by monoccular

[beelzebub 23,390]

I don't think the case was ever going to be a win for the AFL regardless. However I think there was more at stake with Hird and Vlad/Evans in conflict over what was said on the Vlad call made on the evening prior to the ACC announcement.

I think it was that Vlad and Evans would be under oath in the Reid case to state what was spoken about on the call made by Vlad to the EFC prior to the ACC announcement. There was risk of either perjury for either Vlad/Evans or Vlad possibly breach ACC confidentiality rules which would have looked bad for the AFL and Vlad. At the very least integrity was a stake and a disaster loomed for the AFL

Theres a lot to this actually and its pivotal for many a participant in these sordid deeds.

[Redleg 41,942]

There was risk of either perjury for either Vlad/Evans or Vlad possibly breach ACC confidentiality rules which would have looked bad for the AFL and Vlad. At the very least integrity was a stake and a disaster loomed for the AFL

And Hird, Reid and the Essendon Football Club played that card for all it was worth.

IMO another disgusting action by the abovenamed. There actually is a law against blackmail.

[biggestred 5,237]

Essendon are fools. Andy d tips them off because he knows if they have done all this stuff they will be in less trouble in the long run, so they self report and then use the fact he has tried to help them out against him. #flogs

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

And Hird, Reid and the Essendon Football Club played that card for all it was worth.

IMO another disgusting action by the abovenamed. There actually is a law against blackmail.

Agree. It's incredible how Hird has been prepared to sacrifice people who either looked up to him (players) or indeed trusted him ( Evans, Robson and others).

However doesn't blackmail require a specific action of actually or at least attempt on to blackmail. I am not sure that specifically happened in this case.

But there is no doubt that the AFL were smart enough to realise what Reid going to Court would mean.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Essendon are fools. Andy d tips them off because he knows if they have done all this stuff they will be in less trouble in the long run, so they self report and then use the fact he has tried to help them out against him. #flogs

I not sure Vlad would have any idea of the extent and the mitigation possibilities in front of Essendon.

The ACC announcement is unprecedented in Australian sport.

I suspect when Vlad found out earlier that day about the news his gut reaction was to get EFC to go mea culpa on the issue ASAP.

Not necessarily the wrong strategy but in trying to protect the profile of the game he may have left himself unwittingly open to be exploited by EFC lowlights.

[jazza 1,323]

When I read that he lectures in law it piqued my interest so I checked his bio:-

I'm speechless.

you would be surprised to learn the "{timor gap" case may have been one of the biggest cases of its type,in the world

anybody working on it must have had a deep knowledge of corporate law and be fair minded and astute

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

I think it was that Vlad and Evans would be under oath in the Reid case to state what was spoken about on the call made by Vlad to the EFC prior to the ACC announcement. There was risk of either perjury for either Vlad/Evans or Vlad possibly breach ACC confidentiality rules which would have looked bad for the AFL and Vlad. At the very least integrity was a stake and a disaster loomed for the AFL

Since breach of the confidentiality would have laid him open to potential criminal charges, either alternative would have been disastrous, let alone looked bad.

[jayceebee31 768]

The odds. For them making the 8 seems great value ..feel they will definitely make the 8,if,indeed no payer suspension, any comment/s.

[jazza 1,323]

The odds. For them making the 8 seems great value ..feel they will definitely make the 8,if,indeed no payer suspension, any comment/s.

its either 6th

or bottom

[beelzebub 23,390]

Since breach of the confidentiality would have laid him open to potential criminal charges, either alternative would have been disastrous, let alone looked bad.

and that tells you what...about what lays beneath

love to see this get to open court

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

you would be surprised to learn the "{timor gap" case may have been one of the biggest cases of its type,in the world

anybody working on it must have had a deep knowledge of corporate law and be fair minded and astute

I have no idea about the quality of the work he contributed towards that case. I'm referring to his extraordinary comments about Essendon's programme.

[bing181 9,424]

Steven Koops (AFL Player)

In 1999 ...

A lot has changed since then. WADA only came into existence at the end of 1999, and ASADA was established in 2006. In 1999 the AFL was only beholden unto itself.

[Cards13 9,117]

A lot has changed since then. WADA only came into existence at the end of 1999, and ASADA was established in 2006. In 1999 the AFL was only beholden unto itself.

Justin Charles got in just in time then.

[bing181 9,424]

Justin Charles got in just in time then.

Back in the day, a lot of people got in "just in time".

[Satan 2,915]

essendons 2014 football launch a year after they went public and james was surprised to be sitting there, Not a coincidence

[DemonFrog 1,359]

A lot has changed since then. WADA only came into existence at the end of 1999, and ASADA was established in 2006. In 1999 the AFL was only beholden unto itself.

True but we want to stop drug cheats and if someone was given a substance while they were having an operation and it was not performance enhance and was given for their well being, its a no brain to me they should be forgiven. Unless they played for MessyDrug and then they should be given a life ban and banishment from Australian to New Zealand.

[Cards13 9,117]

Back in the day, a lot of people got in "just in time".

Ha. Wce?

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

It just keeps rollin' along - Doctors, supplement industry figures among 13 people compelled by ASADA to give evidence

[bing181 9,424]

... and if someone was given a substance while they were having an operation and it was not performance enhance and was given for their well being, its a no brain to me they should be forgiven.

If it's on the prohibited list, WADA rules are pretty clear on when/what/how there might be mitigating circumstances, and the answer is pretty much "never". One of the main reasons WADA came into existence was to harmonise penalties internationally and across different sporting codes, and as a result, "leniency" is not a word that figures largely in the WADA regulations.

[biggestred 5,237]

when asada get around to issuing notices, they wont be "6 months because you cooperated" notices, they will be "2 years because you wasted our time with misinformation" notices.

I mean, "uncooperative witnesses and misinformation".

280 interviews and 120,000 documents.......

and people want them to hurry up.

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

when asada get around to issuing notices, they wont be "6 months because you cooperated" notices, they will be "2 years because you wasted our time with misinformation" notices.

I mean, "uncooperative witnesses and misinformation".

280 interviews and 120,000 documents.......

and people want them to hurry up.

The people who want ASADA to hurry up either have a vested interest in the failure of the investigation to come up with sanctions against wrongdoers, have an axe to grind against the organisation or both.

The majority of that first category in Victoria are people connected with Essendon or who have an interest in ensuring that the club doesn't lose players from the issue of infraction notices while the second category includes those whose reasons range from political to professional.

One of the main critics of ASADA these days is its former chairman Richard Ings. His concerns appear to do with the way ASADA has been operating and he's also been a critic of the fact that a year after the big announcement of our big sporting disgrace there's little to show for it. In other words, the announcement shouldn't have been made 12 months ago and that ASADA should have kept its powder dry until infraction notices were ready to be issued.

I don't agree with that - the news was going to come out anyway. There's no doubt there have been mistakes (e.g getting into bed with the AFL) but in the end - and I think there is still some time to go - players from two codes will be banned from their respective sports. Regrettably, that now looks like happening in midseason and will play havoc with the two competitions which is clearly not ideal for either the AFL or the NRL.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,101]

I'm more intrigued by Hardie's "ambition of becoming the archetype of life within communism." Can you register a Trabant in Victoria?

According to the old joke, you are probably better off registering a windscreen wiper ... :-)

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

A delay in dispensing infractions to mid season may not be ideal for the AFL but the competition will go on. And another written off season for the bombers won't cause too much grief beyond their supporter base and the Murdoch press.

[biggestred 5,237]

if infraction notices are issued mid season and the bombers cant play a game - if I was a club and I was hosting them at the G id be seeking compensation.

otherwise, tough luck. I wonder what the rules are for forfeiting games in the afl? 4 points and a 10 goal win?