dank didn't hold gun to players heads

they had a chance to say NO

kyle riemers evidence will be the downfall

he was persecuted for saying NO

I had forgotten about him jazza.

they just got granted new powers to fine someone $5,100 per day if they are called in for an interviews and dont show

Dank will get called up soon

do you have a link for that hh?

they just got granted new powers to fine someone $5,100 per day if they are called in for an interviews and dont show

Dank will get called up soon

When was that hh?

dank didn't hold gun to players heads

they had a chance to say NO

kyle riemers evidence will be the downfall

he was persecuted for saying NO

Yes you are right, but it was Bomba & Dank who were DRIVING the whole show. Hird must go down to he cannot be seen as ignorant to what was under his nose. He knew.

Yes you are right, but it was Bomba & Dank who were DRIVING the whole show. Hird must go down to he cannot be seen as ignorant to what was under his nose. He knew.

Or like Robson he should have wyl.

The difference is one has a conscience

Would you let someone inject you 40 times?

of course not, definately not without asking questions and reading every piece of literature i could find.

As a child i had many many injections, so you trust mum and the Doctor.

But as an adult on a course of injections like that i would become an expert for the exact reasons that are happening now.

The penalties are almost life bans.

Footballers are not special cases.

Or like Robson he should have wyl.

The difference is one has a conscience

it will happen.

Hird will be sh!tting himself after Watson's i/v last monday. Just remember the initial Presser in Feb this year. Hird looked like a ghost.

He knew then.

When was that hh?

do you have a link for that hh?

do you have a link for that hh?

When was that hh?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/asadas-powers-boosted-by-ruling-20130625-2ovdb.html#ixzz2XMrhf57n

BANG!!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/asadas-powers-boosted-by-ruling-20130625-2ovdb.html#ixzz2XMrhf57n

Hell this is Gen Y or whatever..they all live in the info age. They can take a pic, upload it , facebook themselves whilst twittering. They can do all that and transfer money on their phones picking there nose and somehow no one figured to look this [censored] up ???

Whoa! Now there is an image that I am trying hard to put out of my mind, BB, but failing miserably ...

Whoa! Now there is an image that I am trying hard to put out of my mind, BB, but failing miserably ...

I know...

see it...nightmare it !!

I know...

see it...nightmare it !!

Yeah, the lot of us loyal Dees supporters perhaps?

I find it staggering that the AFL is in a position where sanctions can be handed down to its own clubs and players by an external force other than the police. I haven't read up on all of this stuff because quite frankly it bores the tripe out of me, but surely it was possible for the league to carry out its own drug testing in a credible manner while maintaining control over rules and penalties around the use of PEDs. It's obviously not essential for a sporting league to sign up for this as no major US league has adopted all of WADA's recommendations.

Clearly PED-related offenses should be punished, but for the AFL to have lost control over this situation is scary.

My facebook is lighting up with bombers fans complaining about jab watson being booed. These are the same fans that booed jack watts off. Flogs.

I find it staggering that the AFL is in a position where sanctions can be handed down to its own clubs and players by an external force other than the police. I haven't read up on all of this stuff because quite frankly it bores the tripe out of me, but surely it was possible for the league to carry out its own drug testing in a credible manner while maintaining control over rules and penalties around the use of PEDs. It's obviously not essential for a sporting league to sign up for this as no major US league has adopted all of WADA's recommendations.

Clearly PED-related offenses should be punished, but for the AFL to have lost control over this situation is scary.

wrong. wada/asada don't hand out the penalties. they make a finding and the afl (having signed up to the wada protocol) deliver the actual penalties

however it would be unlikely that the afl would not use wada recommended penalties

if rumours are true essendon would then take out an injunction and its off to court (for maybe another 12 months)

My facebook is lighting up with bombers fans complaining about jab watson being booed. These are the same fans that booed jack watts off. Flogs.

Jab Watson -- LOL...

My facebook is lighting up with bombers fans complaining about jab watson being booed. These are the same fans that booed jack watts off. Flogs.

Great win by the bombers. Great game by Jobe and really the WC fans booing him for peptides takes the cake! This is WC isn't

It? Glenn Jackovich, the terminator, Cousins, flatline Fletcher for heavens sake, talk about hypocrisy.

Channel 7 put up some document purporting to show aod was declared as not banned at the start of 2012

Did anyone see who the document was from

Maybe it will be reproduced in the papers tomorrow

wrong. wada/asada don't hand out the penalties. they make a finding and the afl (having signed up to the wada protocol) deliver the actual penalties

however it would be unlikely that the afl would not use wada recommended penalties

if rumours are true essendon would then take out an injunction and its off to court (for maybe another 12 months)

Thanks. I'll happily take your word for it. So if the AFL doesn't have to follow the penalty guidelines of WADA/ASADA, why are people assuming it is out of the league's hands? Sorry to drag the debate back to stage 1.

Channel 7 put up some document purporting to show aod was declared as not banned at the start of 2012

Did anyone see who the document was from

Maybe it will be reproduced in the papers tomorrow

i think it was an ACC document daisy. Page 44 (i think!)]

ask yourself that one question

your employer asks you to be injected 50 times in the stomach for improvement?

its simple alright

If my boss told me that, I'd say they need it much more than I do.

1. AOD isn't actually banned

2. AOD isn't actually illegal it's just a substance not performance enhancing drug therefore like soap or honey it doesn't need to be approved for human use

and if they fail

3. The players were duped fine the club and punish individuals but let the playing group off.

1. AOD is banned. WADA has repeatedly stated this.

2. It is not illegal, but part of a club being registered in the AFL is an agreement to abide by certain codes and bylaws, one of which is the drug code. If the AFL's policy is to follow WADA guidelines then they have in fact breached this agreement and as such are liable to punishment in accordance with the AFL's and WADA's policies.

3. Watson's statement is absolutely damning for this defence. He says that he knew they were giving him AOD, but not that it was banned. Given that WADA has repeatedly stated that the onus is on the athlete to ensure that they are not taking a banned substance, his statement has removed their ability to claim that they were not told what was being used and as such they are liable.

Basically, they look to be very very screwed and I wait in eager anticipation to see what rabbits they have in their hats to get out of this situation.

There was an interesting bit of discussion on SEN this afternoon about what would happen to the club if 15-20 players were suspended for a year or more. They pointed out that they would still have a number of good players available to them, Goddard and Daniher being the most notable. They may need permission to raid the VFL for top-up players to field a team, and could well be thrashed all season (earning a high draft pick?). It could be a very interesting thing.

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3. Watson's statement is absolutely damning for this defence. He says that he knew they were giving him AOD, but not that it was banned. Given that WADA has repeatedly stated that the onus is on the athlete to ensure that they are not taking a banned substance, his statement has removed their ability to claim that they were not told what was being used and as such they are liable.

Basically, they look to be very very screwed and I wait in eager anticipation to see what rabbits they have in their hats to get out of this situation.

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My understanding is that the players were all concerned, and demanded a consent form that included guarantees from the club that the supplements were all legal/not banned. If this guarantee has been signed off by the club doctor, I would have thought that the onus on the player was met.

This would mean the club is absolutely screwed of course.

Amazing how he and about another 6-7 senior players seem to grow an extra leg in the last quarter of games this year. Long term effects?

If my boss told me that, I'd say they need it much more than I do.

1. AOD is banned. WADA has repeatedly stated this.

2. It is not illegal, but part of a club being registered in the AFL is an agreement to abide by certain codes and bylaws, one of which is the drug code. If the AFL's policy is to follow WADA guidelines then they have in fact breached this agreement and as such are liable to punishment in accordance with the AFL's and WADA's policies.

3. Watson's statement is absolutely damning for this defence. He says that he knew they were giving him AOD, but not that it was banned. Given that WADA has repeatedly stated that the onus is on the athlete to ensure that they are not taking a banned substance, his statement has removed their ability to claim that they were not told what was being used and as such they are liable.

Basically, they look to be very very screwed and I wait in eager anticipation to see what rabbits they have in their hats to get out of this situation.

There was an interesting bit of discussion on SEN this afternoon about what would happen to the club if 15-20 players were suspended for a year or more. They pointed out that they would still have a number of good players available to them, Goddard and Daniher being the most notable. They may need permission to raid the VFL for top-up players to field a team, and could well be thrashed all season (earning a high draft pick?). It could be a very interesting thing.

I think they would be stripped of high draft picks, the AFL could not give them pick 1, they would have to get last pick in each round as if they were premiers.

Essendon guarantee suspended player payments - how will they field a team inside the cap?