Its absolutely true.

He had queries on his disposal in the under 18's too.

Go watch him play for Port, the guy is a terrible kick.

yeah he's not that bad mate, Ollie is going to be a future star.

The disposal will get better, just like Toumpas will get better.

I have no doubt that Toumpas, Wines and Viney are going to be 3 stars of the future

yeah he's not that bad mate, Ollie is going to be a future star.

The disposal will get better, just like Toumpas will get better.

I have no doubt that Toumpas, Wines and Viney are going to be 3 stars of the future

Let's not get too carried away yet, remember once upon a time it was 'Morton, Scully and Trengove who were going to be stars'. Let's not burden them with that tag yet.

Let's not get too carried away yet, remember once upon a time it was 'Morton, Scully and Trengove who were going to be stars'. Let's not burden them with that tag yet.

two of them are still going to be stars.

Let's not get too carried away yet, remember once upon a time it was 'Morton, Scully and Trengove who were going to be stars'. Let's not burden them with that tag yet.

Jimmy Toumpas is going to be better than those 3 although Trengove will be a 200 game player as well. l thought early in the year we should have taken Wines but now l think we did the right thing.

Jimmy Toumpas is going to be better than those 3 although Trengove will be a 200 game player as well. l thought early in the year we should have taken Wines but now l think we did the right thing.

If there's a more disappointing player running around in the AFL than Trengove tell me who it is.

We ALL know the excuses, but something seriously isn't right. He's border-line Amateur A-grade at the moment and that's at odds with what I saw when he was a teenager. Something horrible has gone wrong - injuries, coaching, ???

I don't really need to hear the copious excuses, it's just sad watching him play.

If there's a more disappointing player running around in the AFL than Trengove tell me who it is.

We ALL know the excuses, but something seriously isn't right. He's border-line Amateur A-grade at the moment and that's at odds with what I saw when he was a teenager. Something horrible has gone wrong - injuries, coaching, ???

I don't really need to hear the copious excuses, it's just sad watching him play.

Not sure I would say Amateur A-grade BH.

But he is nowhere near a number two pick.

I have said this before , he is IMO not a mid fielder.

His best games were when he was played as a half forward.

The Neeld decision to make him and Grimes co captains may go down as one of the silliest decisions of the last decade.

Maybe coincidence but he has been ordinary ever since.

You don't have to look too far to find a more disappointing player in the AFL and that is the bloke selected before him

But there is something wrong with Trengove. He has lost all his kicking penetration and god only knows where his 2.97 sec 20 metre sprint speed has gone from his draft testing. Still got good hands above his head and still has the talent and leadership capabilities

Get the feeling that one day we will find out what has been wrong with Jack and from there he will start to fulfil the potential he showed in his first year

If there's a more disappointing player running around in the AFL than Trengove tell me who it is.

We ALL know the excuses, but something seriously isn't right. He's border-line Amateur A-grade at the moment and that's at odds with what I saw when he was a teenager. Something horrible has gone wrong - injuries, coaching, ???

I don't really need to hear the copious excuses, it's just sad watching him play.

Agree 'Ben', he really looked to be a future champ as a teenager. He still has time and I hope he can get it back together.

Tremgove was tracking beautifully at the end of 2011, his 2nd season.

Averaged over 20 touches, and i think came top 5 in the Bluey despite missing 3 games.

So what happened?

Mark Neeld came in

He was burdened with the captaincy

I dont subscribe to the the theory he has an ongoing injury. You telling me hes been carrying an injury since round 1 , 2012?

Anyway hes had 20+ touches the last three weeks so I think the tide might be slowly turning.

Tremgove was tracking beautifully at the end of 2011, his 2nd season.

Averaged over 20 touches, and i think came top 5 in the Bluey despite missing 3 games.

So what happened?

Mark Neeld came in

He was burdened with the captaincy

I dont subscribe to the the theory he has an ongoing injury. You telling me hes been carrying an injury since round 1 , 2012?

Anyway hes had 20+ touches the last three weeks so I think the tide might be slowly turning.

It's not the touches, he's having to scavenge (it's the only word I can think of) for them and a player of his class should be making it look a lot easier than it is. Then he is not really doing a lot with them, i don't know what the efficiency stats show and I don't really care, he has no penetration at the contest or with the ball and should be bringing others into the game at a bare minimum.

It's not the touches, he's having to scavenge (it's the only word I can think of) for them and a player of his class should be making it look a lot easier than it is. Then he is not really doing a lot with them, i don't know what the efficiency stats show and I don't really care, he has no penetration at the contest or with the ball and should be bringing others into the game at a bare minimum.

He's not on his own there. It is testament to the kid that he still has a go, given the environment he has had to endure of more recent times.

The malaise in some players on the list - who we all know should be better - is symptomatic of the root cause. That is, for too long, this club has viewed first round draft picks as a panacea, without continuing to develop from within, in terms of skill improvement, leadership and culture with existing lists.

Whoever takes the coaching reins in 2014, will have this to fix, as one of their main briefs.

If Trengove can no longer run fast, I suggest they bulk him up with another 6 KG of muscle and get him bullocking out of the clearances to help out Jones.

Trade him too soft

Another handful of games and a good preseason will help immensely.

That and team mates on the field like Viney . JV wont ignore Dimitri !!

Part of the problem ( seriously ) is that Toumpas runs to where you can and should. For the better part of the last 18 months or so they have been conditioned to send the ball to positions that dont coincide with this kind of thinking ( spread )

It'll work out. Its also beholding on the Toump to make his case, be authorative but that will only come with time. ( and experience )

Give the guy an opportunity under a creative rather than a negating coach and he may well blossom.

21 disposals 7 tackles and was clean today. Was by far jimmy's best game this year and starting to look like he is adjusting to the tempo.

Will be a very good footballer for us for many years to come.

Another pre season, bigger, faster and more confidence will do him well.

Keep it up Jimmy!

Was just interviewed on triple M and said that he had little pre season and found it hard at the start but now he is getting more confident and running out games well.

Good to hear - and what some seem to forget despite being reminded, is that Toumpass is playing in a very poor midfield as compared to Wines. (Hypothetically) swap them for a few weeks and you may be surprised.

Edited July 16, 201311 yr by monoccular

two of them are still going to be stars.

At best one and that's Trengove. Scully will never be a star.

If there's a more disappointing player running around in the AFL than Trengove tell me who it is.

We ALL know the excuses, but something seriously isn't right. He's border-line Amateur A-grade at the moment and that's at odds with what I saw when he was a teenager. Something horrible has gone wrong - injuries, coaching, ???

I don't really need to hear the copious excuses, it's just sad watching him play.

I'd offer Scully up as being more disappointing, but the point is still valid.

Trengove's not playing very good football at the moment. The fact that we're lauding his ability to achieve 20 disposals three consecutive weeks is, IMO, an indictment on his status.

If it's mental, take the captaincy from him (this should be done anyway). If it's injuries, then hopefully with time he'll begin to improve, but right now he's a long way from good enough IMO. He might need to shed a kilo or two to pick up some pace, as I feel his game is being severely impacted by his lack of ability to get to enough contests.

Very confident Trengove will be fine when he gets an injury free run at it, his situation hasn't changed since we found out he had a stress fracture at the start of the year.

Jimmy toumpas has really impressed me, i think he best attributes are above the shoulders in terms of helping the club, he is a very enthusiastic young man and brings alot of positive energy to the group

Very confident Trengove will be fine when he gets an injury free run at it, his situation hasn't changed since we found out he had a stress fracture at the start of the year.

Jimmy toumpas has really impressed me, i think he best attributes are above the shoulders in terms of helping the club, he is a very enthusiastic young man and brings alot of positive energy to the group

and is soft as butter and squibs contests i.e St Kilda game and Geelong game

and is soft as butter and squibs contests i.e St Kilda game and Geelong game

He's what 18? no need to panic.

He's what 18? no need to panic.

Tell me one squib who is no longer a squib in the AFL? Bryce Gibbs was a squib when he was drafted, still is. And prime example was Cale Morton. Don't kid yourself, this is ingrained in him

Tell me one squib who is no longer a squib in the AFL? Bryce Gibbs was a squib when he was drafted, still is. And prime example was Cale Morton. Don't kid yourself, this is ingrained in him

Bryce gibbs is a pretty handy player mate, doubt there would be another team that would not be all over him if he wanted to leave the blues, and cale morton may have just been a dud pick.

Edited July 16, 201311 yr by Demonfan26

Tell me one squib who is no longer a squib in the AFL? Bryce Gibbs was a squib when he was drafted, still is. And prime example was Cale Morton. Don't kid yourself, this is ingrained in him

Brad Green

what a load of crap

I saw him pull out of a contest vs St Kilda, and then his weak spoil against Geelong where his head went into his shoulders like a turtle. He is soft, dont deny it.

yeah he's not that bad mate, Ollie is going to be a future star.The disposal will get better, just like Toumpas will get better.I have no doubt that Toumpas, Wines and Viney are going to be 3 stars of the future

Watson had bad disposal and his git better. But then players like Rhys Palmer burst onto the scene like Wines and people assume they will turn from talented youngster into a star but that doesnt always translate

Edited July 16, 201311 yr by Crackers

I saw him pull out of a contest vs St Kilda, and then his weak spoil against Geelong where his head went into his shoulders like a turtle. He is soft, dont deny it.

And anything YOU type is gospel. FMD