Strong core, shakes tacklers, good sideways agility, hard to tackle, finds space, good kick. You can see why he was highly rated.

Sack him.

Sorry, wrong thread.

  On 13/07/2013 at 08:11, HFF said:

You'd hope he can have more of an impact on the contest than TJ did.

A bit harsh. TJ's career was certainly underwhelming but his best footy around 2002 - 2005 was poetry.

  On 02/07/2013 at 01:56, DeeMfc said:

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This pic exibits the exact reason why Jimmy cant be compared to Wines right now. Wines was a ready made player (pic taken pre draft) with a full preseason under his belt.

Jimmy had a double hip operation, a shortened pre season and is 2 years behind in physical development.

Once Jimmy gets rid of the baby fat and strengthens his core I think we will have a gun on our hands.

I was in the pick Ollie Wines boat pre draft because I wanted someone to be ready made in our midfield.

In hindsight I believe we made the right choice in Jimmy as his skills and execution are streets ahead of Wines.

We just have to give him at least a couple more pre seasons to compare.

Gee and Melboune didnt need a ready made player This club needs to get serious We NEED ready made players now!

  On 01/07/2013 at 03:12, Grimes Times said:

Correct. There wasn't a recruiter in the land that would have taken Wines over Toumpas.

I know of one club that was gobsmaked that GWS didn't take him at 2 or 3. They thought JT was 10 times the player of Jonathan O'Rourke who GWS took at 2.

Who knows, GWS passing over JT might just have all been part of the minidraft/Viney deal???

So How long will it take? to have him impacting games

I am very confident at the end of their respective careers Jimmy Toumpas will have been a better player than Ollie Wines

Wines was ready to go, but Jimmy was super impressive in my opinion today, tough conditions against the best opposition going and he stood up.

  On 13/07/2013 at 10:42, jackaub said:

Gee and Melboune didnt need a ready made player This club needs to get serious We NEED ready made players now!

no that's not true, it's part of a plan to develop young players so in a few years we can actually challenge for something real (a big cup)

i woul rather have Toump the way he is now and not be as good as wines.

but in 2-3 years Toump will be way ahead of Wines. the guys skills are a highlight to watch

he is all class

His disposal in the wet was first class. He handled it like it was dry and he as he one Melbourne player who found time and space to useit well.

Will be a very classy player.

Not sure if anyone has actually watched Olllie Wines play, but his disposal is atrocious. Like, really bad.

Toumpas will be a better player, comfortably.

It is not atrocious, that's a fallacy.

  On 01/07/2013 at 10:25, Django said:

How is that comment biased? It's a pretty fair point that you can't tell 10 games into their respective careers who is going to end up the better player.

My first sentence was directed at the poster in question.

My second point was directed at the thread.

  On 13/07/2013 at 22:00, DemonAndrew said:

It is not atrocious, that's a fallacy.

Its absolutely true.

He had queries on his disposal in the under 18's too.

Go watch him play for Port, the guy is a terrible kick.

Jimmy is " DEVELOPING" .

We will see a much better player after another injury free pre season.

  On 13/07/2013 at 23:49, Redleg said:

Jimmy is " DEVELOPING" .

We will see a much better player after another injury free pre season.

Spot on Redleg.

  On 13/07/2013 at 07:50, DemonAndrew said:

his ball use was excellent.

but he missed an opportunity to take a mark in defence in the second quarter because he was scared of the hit - had an 'uncontested spoil' instead.

once he backs himself to take those grabs he'll be good.

we desperately need the likes of viney and [insert draft pick(s) here] to get the ball on his hands. he's a lovely kick.

If you'd been at the game, you would have thought that was definitely the right decision. It was bucketing down. No one had taken those all day. He went back and completed the spoil. Right decision. Rather than trying to mark it, dropping it in the slippery conditions and allowing a Geelong player to run into an open goal. It was a great decision.

Edited July 14, 201311 yr by AdamFarr

I cant believe the amount of pressure placed on these young draftees. They need time to mature and get use to the game at AFL level. I suppose it's a sign of the times, wanting everything right now. Toump will be a gun, give the lad at least a couple of seasons. It will come

Edited July 14, 201311 yr by Kenny Powers

  On 13/07/2013 at 11:08, Grimseyisgod said:

no that's not true, it's part of a plan to develop young players so in a few years we can actually challenge for something real (a big cup)

i woul rather have Toump the way he is now and not be as good as wines.

but in 2-3 years Toump will be way ahead of Wines. the guys skills are a highlight to watch

They are different types of players. It's like comparing Sidebottom with Sewell. Wines will be an important player for Port and if Jimmy keeps developing, he'll be an important contributor for us.

I have absolutely no doubts about this kid.

Great character too. Quite frankly, I can't believe we got him at pick 4.

I'd love Ollie Wines as well. But it's not really about Toumpas v Wines IMO - they are different players, and, in any event, we picked the more highly rated one of the two.

  On 14/07/2013 at 04:06, Ron Burgundy said:

I have absolutely no doubts about this kid.

Great character too. Quite frankly, I can't believe we got him at pick 4.

I'd love Ollie Wines as well. But it's not really about Toumpas v Wines IMO - they are different players, and, in any event, we picked the more highly rated one of the two.

We lack midfield grunt and from what I've watched of Wines he goes alright in that department. Granted that we also need players like Toumpas and considering we were assured of Viney it's logical that we chose Jimmy before Ollie.

Still too early to call IMO but on the back of yesterdays game I feel a lot better than I did when Wines burst on to the scene at the beginning of the season.

Having seen a photo of him today playing aginst the Cats he seems to be getting a lot bigger already and he looks very strong through the legs and hips which is a very good thing (see Ablett jr). I personally think he has the potential to be as damaging as a Griffen or Dangerfield once he gets more power through his legs. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a dramatic rise in his output next season similar to Chad Wingard this year. Very excited about this one though don't want to jinx him.

  On 13/07/2013 at 23:49, Redleg said:

Jimmy is " DEVELOPING" .

We will see a much better player after another injury free pre season.

Sincerely hope so Redleg because I have heard your comment quite times in the last six years and most of them are now playing a lot lower than the AFL.

It's amazing how the attitude towards him has changed so much in a few weeks. Just a few rounds ago people were calling him soft and some even saying he was another dudded pick.

I didn't see the game Saturday but from all accounts he played very well and the stats show the same. Coming along very nicely I think.

I have no issues with Jimmy I think he is coming along well. I wish we had a half decent team so we could see Jimmy run and carry the footy a bit more. Seeing Jimmy on the run through the guts kicking to any forward on the lead would be poetry in motion.

starting to play some good consistent footy.
Only his first season too.
Development is coming along nicely.
Chiilllllllllll.