WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - PAUL ROOS

[old dee 23,776]

Neeld was the wrong personality that was brought into a dysfuntional club when it was being run by incompetent people.

If a Simpson or Tudor were to be given the job now they'd have a much better chance than Neeld ever did. I have no direct knowledge of what sort of personalities they possess but if what I've read on here is anything to go by they'd engage well with most players/teams.

Still consider it to be too risky to try another virgin coach.

I agree McQueen

The MFC must have a coach who has a good senior record.

2014 is going to be hard with few wins.

We cannot have the situation where in the first week of May with no wins the press / fans saying this guy cannot coach!

IMO it is vitial we have either Eade, Williams or someone similar.

The MFC cannot afford another Untried assistant.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,162]

I heard today that Craig will get the job. Good as done.

If so it will be another bland, uninspiring choice by the MFC.

[DemonFrog 1,354]

I agree McQueen

The MFC must have a coach who has a good senior record.

2014 is going to be hard with few wins.

We cannot have the situation where in the first week of May with no wins the press / fans saying this guy cannot coach!

IMO it is vitial we have either Eade, Williams or someone similar.

The MFC cannot afford another Untried assistant.

I hope you do not include Mark Neeld as a untried assistant.

There is no way I would have that DH back!

[jumbo returns 6,737]

Neeld was the wrong personality that was brought into a dysfuntional club when it was being run by incompetent people.

If a Simpson or Tudor were to be given the job now they'd have a much better chance than Neeld ever did. I have no direct knowledge of what sort of personalities they possess but if what I've read on here is anything to go by they'd engage well with most players/teams.

Still consider it to be too risky to try another virgin coach.

You're right.

Further, these two come from successful teams with exemplary culture.

Respect, respect, respect.

Neeld never had it, nor could he structure a strategy around gaining it.

[DemonFrog 1,354]

If so it will be another bland, uninspiring choice by the MFC.

I can live with Neil Craig as coach.

[Weedster 174]

Would be pretty happy with Tudor as a senior coach, he certainly knows what it takes to be successful at AFL level and get the best out of players.

No more untried coaches, please. 5 years of this rubbish. Time to right the ship.

Roos, Craig, Eade - all proven - I'm happy with any of them.

[old dee 23,776]

I hope you do not include Mark Neeld as a untried assistant.

There is no way I would have that DH back!

I think you have missed the point TBF

I was saying we cannot have another untried assistant as the senior coach.

There are probably a number of assistants out there who would make good coaches.

The MFC similar cannot afford them.

[rpfc 28,252]

If so it will be another bland, uninspiring choice by the MFC.

If bland and uninspiring is a head coach with experience in the job and a proven winning record then maybe we should be boring.

We out think ourselves with engaging young 'next big things' and convince ourselves that we will be trendsetters.

We need to establish a decent, hard working, selfless culture to base this club on.

Williams, Eade, and Craig are capable of giving us that.

With Craig's detractors seemingly blinded by perception and the ties, ironically enough, to this club.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,162]

I can live with Neil Craig as coach.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,162]

If bland and uninspiring is a head coach with experience in the job and a proven winning record then maybe we should be boring.

We out think ourselves with engaging young 'next big things' and convince ourselves that we will be trendsetters.

We need to establish a decent, hard working, selfless culture to base this club on.

Williams, Eade, and Craig are capable of giving us that.

With Craig's detractors seemingly blinded by perception and the ties, ironically enough, to this club.

Williams or Eade I think would be good choices. Craig doesn't do it for me.

[beelzebub 23,313]

I will still be happy with any of Roos, Williams, Eade or Craig.

I have a preference but all can do the job ahead.

It will be as important who they get as assistants . They often impart as much if not more to the list being closer to the coalface.

2014 will be a quantum improvement over 2013's set up

go Dees

[rpfc 28,252]

Williams or Eade I think would be good choices. Craig doesn't do it for me.

Why is that?

[Machsy 2,858]

If so it will be another bland, uninspiring choice by the MFC.

If that's the criteria, then the criteria is wrong.

Whether it inspires you or not, frankly, I couldn't care less.

[DemonFrog 1,354]

WAKE UP!

Its time for your pills as the Messendon game is on the TV.

LOL

[jazza 1,323]

WAKE UP!

Its time for your pills as the Messendon game is on the TV.

LOL

doc reid?

[dee-luded 2,959]

I agree McQueen

The MFC must have a coach who has a good senior record.

2014 is going to be hard with few wins.

We cannot have the situation where in the first week of May with no wins the press / fans saying this guy cannot coach!

IMO it is vitial we have either Eade, Williams or someone similar.

The MFC cannot afford another Untried assistant.

geez OD, you lowering your standards old mate...

eade or williams is just change for changes sake, differing shades of Grey, from which we already have now.

.... if we have to go through the disruption Yet again, just for changes sake,,, it isn't worth it, & I won't be renewing.

[deanox 9,897]

I think we need a coach to help build the culture from the ground up. And said coach needs to not be finding his feet at the sane time. This the need for experienced, he needs to be sure in his own methods first.

If Craig is the best available who fits this requirement I'll take him but given where we are at a a club with respect to supporters, hope and the need to get this rift to engage or club, I think Craig is the worst positioned of the senior candidates.

His other qualities and skill sets may be enough to rank him higher overall than other candidates but his appointment will not be the best from a club promotion/media/supporter point of view unless it is sold very very well.

It is unfortunate that the club needs an appointment that gives hope to those outside the club. I hope that doesn't over ride the other requirements for a coach, but it should be considered, as should his existing relationship with the players and any benefits that some stability may have on this playing list.

[old dee 23,776]

geez OD, you lowering your standards old mate...

eade or williams is just change for changes sake, differing shades of Grey, from which we already have now.

.... if we have to go through the disruption Yet again, just for changes sake,,, it isn't worth it, & I won't be renewing.

Either I wrote my comment poorly or you are misinterpreting it.

Either way I have no idea who you want as the new coach.

I hope you are not saying you want another unknown who comes with zero credibility.

[The Chazz 4,077]

I can imagine that the AFL will force us to announce our new coach to draw attention away from the currently unfolding disaster at Essendon and get it off the back page. (Probably still be on the front page though)

Do you really think the sporting world, or for that matter, the AFL community could give a toss about who we announce as our next coach? Us making an announcement will not draw attention away from anything else that's going on. We are an insignifcant club in the eyes of most.

Of the 3 leading candidates, the reaction/headline will be;

If Roos is appointed - Melbourne got their man, but is he doing it for the right rea$on$?

If Eade is appointed - logical appointment given he still has the desire to coach and we wanted someone with experience

If Williams is appointed - logical appointment given he still has the desire to coach and we wanted someone with experience

What's the one thing the 3 potential appointments have in common? It's hardly newsworthy. The only appointment that will possibly interest some would be Roos, just to see if he is the magician that we all think he is and can turn this train wreck around.

It's only a matter of time til I start reading on here about us not announcing a new sponsor because the cricket's on, or the tennis, or the ballet. And that we are waiting to make an announcement to get "maximum exposure".

The sooner our supporters realise we are like a homeless person in the street the better. The average Joe just walks past and totally ignores us, while every now and then, someone might stop to read what's on the sign we are holding up, feel sorry for us, then move on. When the Club understands this, which I have no doubt PJ does, then we can use this as one of the driving factors to improve, because basically, people are expecting us to die. We will not be significant (or newsworthy) again until we show a sign of life. I'm as passionate as anyone on here, but I'm also not in denial.

[Machsy 2,858]

It's a delicate balance, between giving supporters hope, and the head start that comes with the benefit of having been with the club for 2 years prior, getting to know the personalities involved, building relationships and an intimate knowledge of the problems that need to be overcome.

Any other coach coming in may have experience, but they still come in blind.

That may be an advantage in some cases, but I think in the whole, a prior knowledge would be a much greater advantage.

I don't think the other coaches would come into the job with a list of tailored demands like Craig would have.

(Still prefer Roos)

[Machsy 2,858]

Do you really think the sporting world, or for that matter, the AFL community could give a toss about who we announce as our next coach? Us making an announcement will not draw attention away from anything else that's going on. We are an insignifcant club in the eyes of most.

Of the 3 leading candidates, the reaction/headline will be;

If Roos is appointed - Melbourne got their man, but is he doing it for the right rea$on$?

If Eade is appointed - logical appointment given he still has the desire to coach and we wanted someone with experience

If Williams is appointed - logical appointment given he still has the desire to coach and we wanted someone with experience

What's the one thing the 3 potential appointments have in common? It's hardly newsworthy. The only appointment that will possibly interest some would be Roos, just to see if he is the magician that we all think he is and can turn this train wreck around.

It's only a matter of time til I start reading on here about us not announcing a new sponsor because the cricket's on, or the tennis, or the ballet. And that we are waiting to make an announcement to get "maximum exposure".

The sooner our supporters realise we are like a homeless person in the street the better. The average Joe just walks past and totally ignores us, while every now and then, someone might stop to read what's on the sign we are holding up, feel sorry for us, then move on. When the Club understands this, which I have no doubt PJ does, then we can use this as one of the driving factors to improve, because basically, people are expecting us to die. We will not be significant (or newsworthy) again until we show a sign of life. I'm as passionate as anyone on here, but I'm also not in denial.

I'm not certain.

While I don't think the AFL would bother trying to manipulate us to detract from Essendrug, I still think it would garner a great amount of media attention.

Paul Roos returning to coaching would be a massive story.

One aspect that will be debated is whether he did it for the right reasons.

Also the fact he feigned disinterest would provide fodder for many articles.

Eade & Williams provides all the "how does it feel to be second choice?" rhetoric.

But overall, these 3 will play to the media, and whilst the media love to kick a team on its way down, the thing they love just as much is a story of redemption, especially if by one they already have an existing relationship with.

And they'll be falling over themselves to be the first to report it at the smallest sight of an improvement.

But also don't underestimate the laziness of the media.

Fortunately enough, we are very close to most media outlets HQ, so it's not much effort for then to pop down to the club for a presser.

We're also right next to Collingwood, so they can kill 2 birds with one stone.

We're one of the easy options when they're stuck for something to write about.

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Do you really think the sporting world, or for that matter, the AFL community could give a toss about who we announce as our next coach?

Yes, I do.

Us making an announcement will not draw attention away from anything else that's going on.

Yes, it will.

We are an insignifcant club in the eyes of most.

No, we are not. We sell a lot of papers and the general public would be interested in our current status.

Of the 3 leading candidates, the reaction/headline will be;

If Roos is appointed - Melbourne got their man, but is he doing it for the right rea$on$?

If Eade is appointed - logical appointment given he still has the desire to coach and we wanted someone with experience

If Williams is appointed - logical appointment given he still has the desire to coach and we wanted someone with experience

What's the one thing the 3 potential appointments have in common? It's hardly newsworthy. The only appointment that will possibly interest some would be Roos, just to see if he is the magician that we all think he is and can turn this train wreck around.

It's only a matter of time til I start reading on here about us not announcing a new sponsor because the cricket's on, or the tennis, or the ballet. And that we are waiting to make an announcement to get "maximum exposure".

The sooner our supporters realise we are like a homeless person in the street the better. The average Joe just walks past and totally ignores us, while every now and then, someone might stop to read what's on the sign we are holding up, feel sorry for us, then move on. When the Club understands this, which I have no doubt PJ does, then we can use this as one of the driving factors to improve, because basically, people are expecting us to die. We will not be significant (or newsworthy) again until we show a sign of life. I'm as passionate as anyone on here, but I'm also not in denial.

You write a lot but it is as speculative as anything written here. Good luck with your thesis. Edited August 30, 2013 by Robot Devil

[mjt 640]

geez OD, you lowering your standards old mate...

eade or williams is just change for changes sake, differing shades of Grey, from which we already have now.

.... if we have to go through the disruption Yet again, just for changes sake,,, it isn't worth it, & I won't be renewing.

Dont renew, every time something mightn't go your way you threaten the club with not paying membership, your a clown go and follow another club.

[Sir Why You Little 36,962]

Rushing to sign Neeld remains as conjecture as far as I know. It was just a poor, poor decision by those in charge to hand an absolute basket case to a bloke who was way out of his depth. This is why Jackson has repeated time and time again that the next senior coach must be experienced, and that's not just about the actual game itself.

To bring in another new senior coach is not what the club needs. It needs a coach who has experience in dragging a whole club up from the depths of despair.

On & Off the field.

We simply cannot have another Rookie, we have just had 2 & the club is barely breathing.

[chookrat 4,247]

FERK no way muchacho.

Experienced, Experienced, Experienced and more Experience thanks.

Had enough of these trainees learning on the job at our expense.

Terry Wallace?