Dom Barry, Nathan Stark & Maia Westrupp

[KC from Casey 6,776]

Playing for Casey Scorpions Development Squad against Werribee on Sunday morning.

AFL Victoria Development League

Werribee Tigers vs. Casey Scorpions

Sunday 16th June

Avalon Airport Oval at 11:00AM

Werribee Tigers

Backs Wormald Graham Ruggles

Half backs Iles Wales Sodomaco

Centreline Keras Hicks Laracy

Half forwards Wood Williams Fairley

Forwards Purton-Smith Tudor W Sullivan

Followers Fort Davis Bolton

Interchange (from) Barbuto A Brown Eade Henderson Jones

Kershaw Lang O'Shea Piva Stevens M Sullivan White Zumbo

Casey Scorpions

Backs Roberts Waters Westrupp

Half backs Corry Matthews McInnes

Centreline Hillard Pollard Barry

Half forwards Anderson Fusinato Troutman

Forwards Riseley Boland Smith

Followers Hill Stark Lindsay

Interchange (from) Blackie Clay Deaurago Godfrey Irwin Jackson Lang P Rosier Rutherford

Edited June 13, 2013 by KC from Casey

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KC, is that a positive step for Maia and a backward one for Barry? And what can you tell us about Koo?

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Brace yourselves, winter is coming

Edited June 13, 2013 by PJ_12345

[old dee 23,256]

KC, is that a positive step for Maia and a backward one for Barry? And what can you tell us about Koo?

RTG IMO to make it as an AFL player you have to have the correct body shape and the necessary amount of skills / talent.

If you are built like a rake then you have to have a large over supply of skill and talent.

From the occasions I have seen him at training and Casey Barry has too much of the former and is way down in the second.

Don't hold much hope for him.

There are not many Robert Flowers in any 20 year period.

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RTG IMO to make it as an AFL player you have to have the correct body shape and the necessary amount of skills / talent.

If you are built like a rake then you have to have a large over supply of skill and talent.

From the occasions I have seen him at training and Casey Barry has too much of the former and is way down in the second.

Don't hold much hope for him.

There are not many Robert Flowers in any 20 year period.

Boy! I don't disbelieve you but what have you seen specifically?

[old dee 23,256]

Boy! I don't disbelieve you but what have you seen specifically?

Body wise he must be in the bottom couple of percent of AFL players, you have to be very good to over come that defficinency.

I see nothing above average ability.

[stuie 7,374]

RTG IMO to make it as an AFL player you have to have the correct body shape and the necessary amount of skills / talent.

If you are built like a rake then you have to have a large over supply of skill and talent.

From the occasions I have seen him at training and Casey Barry has too much of the former and is way down in the second.

Don't hold much hope for him.

There are not many Robert Flowers in any 20 year period.

FFS. You obviously haven't seen him enough. He's not the skinny rake ill informed Demonland posters will have you believe. He has long limbs which maybe creates that illusion, and also needs to build up his core strength, but he's not a skinny rake, has great skills and aggression, and I think (with the right development) he will DEFINITELY make it.

Edited June 13, 2013 by stuie

[stuie 7,374]

Body wise he must be in the bottom couple of percent of AFL players, you have to be very good to over come that defficinency.

I see nothing above average ability.

Absolute rubbish. Either you're making this stuff up or you need stronger bifocals OD.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,580]

FFS. You obviously haven't seen him enough. He's not the skinny rake ill informed Demonland posters will have you believe. He has long limbs which maybe create that illusion, and also needs to build up his core strength, but he's not a skinny rake, has great skills and aggression, and I think (with the right development) he will DEFINITELY make it.

I saw him live during preseason training. I didn't think his lack of size was an " illusion"!

[stuie 7,374]

I saw him live during preseason training. I didn't think his lack of size was an " illusion"!

I've seen him "live" at training and at Casey. He's no tank, that's for sure, but he's not this fragile skinny Morton-like character some here seem to want to panic about.

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So why is he not progressing?

[old dee 23,256]

Absolute rubbish. Either you're making this stuff up or you need stronger bifocals OD.

Because someone has a different opinion to you does not mean it is necessarily wrong stuie.

You have a different opinion time will prove one of us incorrect.

However i do have a very strong objection to your suggestion I am making this up.

I have seen him at approx a dozen training sessions, two Casey games live and one on TV.

Now I might be incorrect or incompetent but a liar I am not.

[stuie 7,374]

So why is he not progressing?

Think he needs to be thought of as a project type player. He won't play AFL this year. My expectation is he'll start to get a chance lateish next year.

I really rate the kid. Has great attitude, aggression at the ball, and really reminds A LOT of Michael Long.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,580]

I've seen him "live" at training and at Casey. He's no tank, that's for sure, but he's not this fragile skinny Morton-like character some here seem to want to panic about.

Now now Stuie. I don't want to get involved in a debate here and raise your blood pressure but Barry is 183 and 70 compared to the rather strappind Morton at 193 and 88.

[stuie 7,374]

Because someone has a different opinion to you does not mean it is necessarily wrong stuie.

You have a different opinion time will prove one of us incorrect.

However i do have a very strong objection to your suggestion I am making this up.

I have seen him at approx a dozen training sessions, two Casey games live and one on TV.

Now I might be incorrect or incompetent but a liar I am not.

Fair enough, didn't mean to come across so strong OD, just seems like a lot here make things up. Must just mean you need stronger glasses.... haha

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In my small mind I have pictured him as a Jeff Garlett type build and player?

[old dee 23,256]

Fair enough, didn't mean to come across so strong OD, just seems like a lot here make things up. Must just mean you need stronger glasses.... haha

As I said stuie it is just my opinion

I cannot leave it without asking how is it that he struggles to get a game in Casey seniors?

I am not trying be smart it just confirms my opinion.

[stuie 7,374]

As I said stuie it is just my opinion

I cannot leave it without asking how is it that he struggles to get a game in Casey seniors?

I am not trying be smart it just confirms my opinion.

From what I've seen he's struggling with 2 main things:

1) The speed of the defensive pressure

2) Understanding his role in the structures and game plan

Number 2 will come with natural learning and maturity, number 1 does worry me but I'm hoping that at his age he can make adjustments during his development.

[old dee 23,256]

From what I've seen he's struggling with 2 main things:

1) The speed of the defensive pressure

2) Understanding his role in the structures and game plan

Number 2 will come with natural learning and maturity, number 1 does worry me but I'm hoping that at his age he can make adjustments during his development.

I hope you are right we don,t need another cook

[stuie 7,374]

I hope you are right we don,t need another cook

Too many Cook's spoil the broth...

I like Barry, I think he's a while off, but I have hopes for him.

[Little Richard 5,943]

Too many Cook's spoil the broth...

I like Barry, I think he's a while off, but I have hopes for him.

I too have hopes for Barry Stuie, but I don't think the early signs are good.

I see you've conveniently ignored Bitter But Optimistic's post about the weight - Barry is as far from playing a senior game as anyone on our list. The fact that he is 19 (and not a rookie) and is still so far away from a senior game is not a great start. I'm not dismissing him as a failure but he is going to have to shape up pretty quickly and throw on a few kilos - we already have enough players on the list that are 'a while off'.

[dazzledavey36 49,795]

Barry has as a good tank and skills just needs to bulk up. Is a good character and very determined aswell. I hope he makes it.

[DeeSpencer 23,686]

The fact Barry is playing this week doesn't necessarily mean he's gone backwards. Could be an opportunity to get a full game into him whilst its available and then when the Dees go to Darwin he can have his week off then. That would be clever management

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Playing for Casey Scorpions Development Squad against Werribee on Sunday morning.

KC, is this game at Casey or Werribee, if Werribee do you have the start time?

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The fact Barry is playing this week doesn't necessarily mean he's gone backwards. Could be an opportunity to get a full game into him whilst its available and then when the Dees go to Darwin he can have his week off then. That would be clever management

Yeah, I just kept noticing that he wasn't getting a gig at VFL level and wondered