that was interesting, & I reflected on both, but mainly the second part.

as a teacher i see it every day in my kids. and then i imagine them driving cars. then i get motivated to teach (amongst other motivations of course).

i DEFINITELY see it in caroline wilson. inability to reflect and see comments/actions are wrong and then think they are right as a result? sums her up to a T

The CW opinion in the end was:

- AA was process driven, by the book

- GM is a deal maker

Therefore, this won't go to the commission, GM will make a deal & this will quickly get sorted and go away.

Lets hope this is the case JM but there has to be a verdict of Not Guilty to go with it.

Lets hope this is the case JM but there has to be a verdict of Not Guilty to go with it.

at this point I would be very happy for it to all just go away

I applaud Garry for taking her on and defending us but I would suggest unfortunately it was nil all draw. Lots of haymakers thrown and lots of clinches but not much landing.

at this point I would be very happy for it to all just go away

Yep I've had a gut full too demonoid.

I loved watching Gary fight caro but it would have been good to get one killer blow at the end to shut her up. No matter what anyone says though she speaks a whole lot of crap and seems to weasel her way out of being accountable. So annoying.

Overall good work by Gaz though.

I applaud Garry for taking her on and defending us but I would suggest unfortunately it was nil all draw. Lots of haymakers thrown and lots of clinches but not much landing.

At one point she said to Gary 'do you want me to name names', and got no response. He should have said yes, now that would have been interesting.

They played an interview with Gill Mc'. He basically said these things are hard to prove. Looking more and more like they have nothing substantial. Circumstantial at best. No case to answer!

The CW opinion in the end was:

- AA was process driven, by the book

- GM is a deal maker

Therefore, this won't go to the commission, GM will make a deal & this will quickly get sorted and go away.

Well the new chap does have an opportunity to show some wisdom beyond his years.

I hope for everybodys sake he shows it, or AA may as well still be in the "frenzy position" .

The Richmond bloke kicked one out of his backside in the nanoseconds and here we are on on page 86 courtesy of two highly credentialed accusers in Caroline Wilson and Brock McLean and the AFL has run with it.

Sort it quick Gil or let it go to court.

What a joke.!

Just amazing to me!

I loved when Gary said "you got 7 points wrong in the article" and Wilson accidentally rebutted "no 5"

Ahaha it's blatantly obvious she gets her material from demonland!!!

It was my first serious foray into the tanking situation tonight. Don't get me wrong, i was aware of what was going on, just never really thought anything would happen mostly because it can't be proved, and or both parties don't want it to go any further than it already has. Having just watched footy classified which some of you are talking like it was a huge beat down on Caroline Wilson, i have to say that this whole thing has been such a giant waste of time.

Having heard the "witch" "cow" and other names which are way too harsh on someone just for their opinion...just say nothing will happen, i can't help but feel sorry for the people with the unnecessary levels of stress that seem to be prevalent in this thread.

It's a shame really, i love demonland, the training reports, the hot off the press info on teams and such, but having this thread sitting on the top of the pile for so long has really been a drainer... i hope for all our sakes, not just us demonlanders, that we can move on soon. You can seriously go from page 40, to 60 and have 2 people still saying the same arguments, and not budging at all. It's a shame that the people with the most stubborn and incessant opinions are also the loudest on this website.

Lets hope this is the case JM but there has to be a verdict of Not Guilty to go with it.

You familiar with the saying "you can't have your cake and eat it too"?

If the sanctions described on FC come to fruition (suspensions for CC, DB & a fine) I would be doing cartwheels as we would have dodged a nuclear bomb.

I thought it made great television but lacked the presence of Grant Thomas who I don't believe would have suffered the foolishness of Wilson's defence of her article.

She point blank refused to respond to McLardy's message which very clearly refuted every point she's made in her rants against the Melbourne Football Club. She knew she was beaten there so decided to obfuscate by saying she was dealing with this so-called "unofficial defence" which is a stupid furphy. Unofficial defences mean jack [censored] and she knows it.

She also demonstrated that she failed to brief herself properly about the news published in both the Age and the Hun while she was away about allegations that the interrogation involved questions about fumbling and why we didn't play Jack Watts more than three times in 2009. More embarrassment.

Then she questioned Garry's credibility and at that point she was totally lost.

I scored it Lyon by a decisive points margin. If she was ever put in a witness box to put her point under cross examination by someone like Fink and it would be an early KO in the first round.

BTW: She was pretty weak on the Essendon drug story and unconvincing on Dustin Martin.

It was my first serious foray into the tanking situation tonight. Don't get me wrong, i was aware of what was going on, just never really thought anything would happen mostly because it can't be proved, and or both parties don't want it to go any further than it already has. Having just watched footy classified which some of you are talking like it was a huge beat down on Caroline Wilson, i have to say that this whole thing has been such a giant waste of time.

Having heard the "witch" "cow" and other names which are way too harsh on someone just for their opinion...just say nothing will happen, i can't help but feel sorry for the people with the unnecessary levels of stress that seem to be prevalent in this thread.

It's a shame really, i love demonland, the training reports, the hot off the press info on teams and such, but having this thread sitting on the top of the pile for so long has really been a drainer... i hope for all our sakes, not just us demonlanders, that we can move on soon. You can seriously go from page 40, to 60 and have 2 people still saying the same arguments, and not budging at all. It's a shame that the people with the most stubborn and incessant opinions are also the loudest on this website.

pretty much goes for life too.

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Well done....added to page 86 of this thread with squat all but 15cm of zero comment. (As I have done admittedly, but just 3 or 4 lines. )

My read is that our legal strategy been to get the AFL to put in words a definition of tanking for when there is no allegations of the players not trying to win. Logically there would no way for the AFL to draft such a definition that did not ensnare Carlton and the Kreuzer Cup, or the Pies run of losses to get a priority pick that gave them both Pendlebury and Thomas instead of one of them, or Richmond and Wallace's "I made no moves". Punish us harshly and the tanking issue will stay alive as long as those clubs are not punished. The AFL would know that and Gill Mc is probably trying to work out how to extricate the AFL from Anderson's mess. Like he said these things are hard to prove which of course is what the AFL have to do if they want to punish us.

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When Garry called her out on the assertion that the media never questioned the players performance she responded in a very interesting manner. She actually looked stunned, her arms crossed and she retracted back in to her seat in a typical fight or flight response that was also an over reaction. The over reaction is also a typical response of someone who is not being totally honest and overcompensates when challenged. She then feigned ignorance but her physical leakage was copy book, She knew that she had been caught out. Her next response was also indicative of someone who knew that she was exposed. By going on the attack and questioning Garry's integrity she gained valuable thinking time, and was able to bury that question. Make no mistakes she was lying about that particular question. Or at least unofficially she was.

Garry got too heated and emotional and couldn't nail her. I understood the point he was trying to make as caro flip flopped about the MFC defence. - what nonsense - we have an official and unofficial defence.......plllleeeaassseeee.

He did call her out on the players being questioned about them fumbling and her response........ She didn't know that they were accused of that.....

She is extremely clever... Garry didnt land a telling blow on her.

Agree nutbean.

From memory it was Ralph, Clark and Pierik who wrote about the fumblings etc when she was off. But surely she must have been aware of those accusations.

Garry got a little heated about her questioning his credibility.

When he brought up The Don nailing her on 7 points in his statement you could see her re-counting ..."hangon....seven?...no it was 5..." Lol!

... but her physical leakage was copy book ...

You're not suggesting she peed herself on national television, are you?

Word on Demonology is that Bails has not been charged with anything...

What? Not charged with trying his "utmost"???? What a shock.

Have they amended the charge to trying really really hard but not hard enough???

Craig Hutchison ‏@craighutchy

Caro making noises about not doing next weeks show. Serious

You're not suggesting she peed herself on national television, are you?

Sorry Whispering. Physical leakage is when a person starts to lose minor control of their body language. Slumping in chairs,restless feet, incessant finger tapping, dry lips are typical indicators .It has to be said that in an extreme case it can indeed result in people losing control of their bladder, however I am not suggesting that in this case, although only the studio cleaner will ever really know.

Craig Hutchison ‏@craighutchy

Caro making noises about not doing next weeks show. Serious

He tweeted just before that

@craighutchy: Garry and caro still tense back stage after @FootyClassified stoush. Very willing tonight. #whowon?

Craig Hutchison ‏@craighutchy

Caro making noises about not doing next weeks show. Serious

Excellent.

Sorry Whispering. Physical leakage is when a person starts to lose minor control of their body language. Slumping in chairs,restless feet, incessant finger tapping, dry lips are typical indicators .It has to be said that in an extreme case it can indeed result in people losing control of their bladder, however I am not suggesting that in this case, although only the studio cleaner will ever really know.

Thank god for that. I was starting to think I needed a bigger TV screen to catch all the action.