Hi guys and girls,

So the trade period is over and we are fast approaching the xmas break. I was thinking what would be a realistic pass mark for the 2013. I was thinking about 7-8 wins with a ladder position of around 11-13. Also no massive floggings

I was thinking what would be a realistic pass mark for the 2013.

Realism is very subjective.

LOL

The off-season is for fantasy

Plenty of time for realism and depression once the season starts

6th.

Hi guys and girls,

So the trade period is over and we are fast approaching the xmas break. I was thinking what would be a realistic pass mark for the 2013. I was thinking about 7-8 wins with a ladder position of around 11-13. Also no massive floggings

IMO we have to work out the top 8 first of all, because its not a matter of throwing a dart at a board to get our position.

There are only 18 positions on the ladder & every team will fill one spot.

IMO we won't make the top 8 yet.

So I've done my rough out ladder from the top down. guessing my improvers & up against them, my sliders. Once into the middle ladder, the waters get muddied, so I've gone with some close teams, based on they're comp' maturity & team cohesion.

1. Hawthorn

2. West Coast

3. Adelaide

4. Sydney

5. Collingwood

6. Geelong

7. Carlton

8. Fremantle

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9. Essendon

10. Kangaroos

11. Melbourne

12. Bulldogs

13. Richmond

14. St Kilda

15. Brisbane

16. GWS

17. Gold Coast

18. Port Adelaide

2013 realistic expectations....

That i make it to my 50th Birthday.

There are no realistic expectations for the MFC

i mean who would have predicted the last 49 seasons!!

My only expectations for 2013 is that we've improved on 2012.

IMO we have to work out the top 8 first of all, because its not a matter of throwing a dart at a board to get our position.

There are only 18 positions on the ladder & every team will fill one spot.

IMO we won't make the top 8 yet.

So I've done my rough out ladder from the top down. guessing my improvers & up against them, my sliders. Once into the middle ladder, the waters get muddied, so I've gone with some close teams, based on they're comp' maturity & team cohesion.

1. Hawthorn

2. West Coast

3. Adelaide

4. Sydney

5. Collingwood

6. Geelong

7. Carlton

8. Fremantle

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9. Essendon

10. Kangaroos

11. Melbourne

12. Bulldogs

13. Richmond

14. St Kilda

15. Brisbane

16. GWS

17. Gold Coast

18. Port Adelaide

Whislt I like the concept of finishing ahead of Richmond, I will be disappointed if Carlton makes it into the top 8. Personally I would accept a final list like this on the proviso that we swap positions with Carlton and take their eight spot.

I actually meant to say seventh spot (ahead of Freo).

IMO we have to work out the top 8 first of all, because its not a matter of throwing a dart at a board to get our position.

There are only 18 positions on the ladder & every team will fill one spot.

IMO we won't make the top 8 yet.

So I've done my rough out ladder from the top down. guessing my improvers & up against them, my sliders. Once into the middle ladder, the waters get muddied, so I've gone with some close teams, based on they're comp' maturity & team cohesion.

1. Hawthorn

2. West Coast

3. Adelaide

4. Sydney

5. Collingwood

6. Geelong

7. Carlton

8. Fremantle

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9. Essendon

10. Kangaroos

11. Melbourne

12. Bulldogs

13. Richmond

14. St Kilda

15. Brisbane

16. GWS

17. Gold Coast

18. Port Adelaide

I like this and dad and I try all the time, I find it easier to group teams.

For me, Hawthorn, West Coast, Collingwood and Sydney are above the rest in no particular order, These teams will make finals unless there is a disaster.

Then Adelaide Geelong Fremantle Essendon. These four should make finals but could miss out

Then Carlton, North Melbourne, Richmond behind them. These teams shouldnt make finals but its possible.

Then Melbourne St Kilda Brisbane. Not far off the pack above, if these teams can have an outstanding year finals is a slight possibility but probably not realistic.

And GWS Gold Coast Port Adelaide and Bulldogs holding the ladder up.

So...

1. West Coast

2. Hawthorn

3. Sydney

4. Collingwood

5. Adelaide

6. Geelong

7. Essendon

8. Fremantle

9. North Melbourne

10. Carlton

11. Richmond

12. Melbourne

13. Brisbane

14. St Kilda

15. Gold Coast

16. Western Bulldogs

17. Port Adelaide

18. GWS

The bottom and top teams in each group could change IMO for example Melbourne could have a great year, not alot of key injuries and win a few close ones and jump up a group but I cant see us jumping up 2 groups. Or Fremantle could be desimated by injury and slide down a group.

Edited December 16, 201212 yr by Josh

I cannot believe how everybody puts Collingwood into the top four. i don't think that they are guaranteed.

No not guaranteed but they get Ball, Krakeour and Mcaffer (spelling?) and Keefe back. They lost Wellingham and gained Young which I believe is an upgrade. And if Brodie Grundy is as good as they say he is then there rucks which I thought was going to be a problem is covered.

They lost Dawes and replaced with Lynch which I think is a loss but Lynch should be able to fill the foward/ruck roll they want. I think there season will hinge on Jolly staying fit/Grundy coming on and Lynch rucking and kicking a few goals.

Also I liked the look of young Paine was it who replaced Dawes late in the year, could be one to watch.

Edit: I see under my avatar that I have "0" warning posts, is sticking op for the pies like this a worth a warning post lol

Edited December 16, 201212 yr by Josh

8th, Optimistic yes but Ive got $100 on it

I think about 11th or 12th would be fantastic, but after observing the videos of the training camp in the NT I can't help feeling a little excited and thinking that 8th might not be beyond the boys next season...

I reckon we will wind up around 13th.

Baby steps.

Richmond still aren't in the top 8, and in my mind we are no where near as good as them.

I reckon we will wind up around 13th.

Baby steps.

Richmond still aren't in the top 8, and in my mind we are no where near as good as them.

Agree with you PJ

1. Hawthorn
2. West Coast
3. Collingwood
4. Sydney
5. Freo
6. Geelong
7. Carlton
8. Kangaroos

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9. Adelaide
10. Richmond
11. Melbourne
12. St Kilda

13. Essendon
14. Brisbane
15. Port Adelaide
16. GWS
17. Gold Coast
18. Bulldogs

This is my prediction. I think Adelaide will slide, big time, to miss the eight, a more normal draw, some backmen returning to their usual output, the loss of Tippett and ensuing disaster for their club will have them slip. Also, Freo are seriously good, which is why I have them up there. Essendon are overrated, St Kilda still have champions who will prevent them from slipping below the very ordinary teams below them. Carlton, provided they have a more normal run with injury, and though it pains me to say it, will improve drastically this year, they have a good list and Ratten was not a great matchday coach, Malthouse should get them into 7th at least. I have Richmond just above us, but I think we could catch them, as once again I believe they are overrated. My Best case for us is 10th and worst could be anywhere below that, I would be happy with 10-12 depending on the nature of our losses.

Edit: My smoky is Sydney's older players to go over the edge and for Sydney to miss the four, replaced by Geelong, Freo or Carlton

Edited December 16, 201212 yr by deejammin'

I reckon we will wind up around 13th.

Baby steps.

Richmond still aren't in the top 8, and in my mind we are no where near as good as them.

Until this "new"list plays 2-3 games you just cannot tell. We could "click" and smash the Richmond media darlings.

I said could.

I think we'll make the 8.

We will surprise a lot of sides.

If Sylvia, Davey and Jamar can lift, with addition of Clark.

Then we are a ten times better side than 2012.

Our start to the year this year wasn't actually too bad.

We have a lot of improvement in Blease, Tapscott, Trengove,

they are all around the right age to really step it up.

Our start to the year this year wasn't actually too bad.

What??

The start of 2012 was diabolical. What Planet were you watching from?

Stop making excuses please.

We were awful. Season over during the first game round one.

Whislt I like the concept of finishing ahead of Richmond, I will be disappointed if Carlton makes it into the top 8. Personally I would accept a final list like this on the proviso that we swap positions with Carlton and take their eight spot.

I hate Carlton, and that Whiteant on the chest of they're jumpers.

But I can't see a Malthouse team falling out of the top 8, in his first year.

1 Hawthorne

2 Adelaide

3 Sydney

4 Collingwood

5 Freo

6 West Coast

7 Geelong

8 North Melbourne

9 Carlton

10 Saints

11 Bombers

12 Tigers

13 Brisbane

14 Bulldogs

15 Dees

16 Port

17 Gold Coast

18 GWS

There appears to be a very upbeat feel about the club. The training reports have been positive. The news/ interviews from the club have also been positive. The personal changes, on the surface at least, have addressed our glaring firepower deficiency. I'm really pumped. I won't drop the "Bitter" aspect of my non-de-plume just yet but like "Ox" above I put money on the Dees to make the eight.

A lot of love for Meth Coast on here, they are still to reliant on Cox, Kerr & Glass. If these three go down they are in massive trouble, Nik Nat is not capable of rucking all day, Glass has fantastic positioning and organises the entire backline. Kerr is an absolute gun in and under who just loves the contest.

Lecras back in is massive for them, but like other sides injuries to certain personell can hurt them really badly. Pies for me will be Top 2, Hawks Top 4 again and a lot depends on Lake and if he is affective enough to free Gibson up to play 3rd man up, Freo will be good well drilled and with Mundy & Barlow not being injured at start of pre season they are the smokey for Top 4.

Not sure about the Tiges there defence is suspect, Blues will be better with greater accountability & a fit Murphy. Despite all the hype I think Sir James of Windy Hill may come under the mircoscope a bit they are not as good as they like to think, Saints to slide further again, Cats to struggle for the 8. Sydney will be themselves and just grind out results and come August we will say they are in the Top 4. North to fall out of the 8 9dont know about others but I hate Bra Scott and really want us to start dominating this side.

Dees to improve but as WYL said we wont know by how much, the boys will click at some stage just a matter of when.

1Collingwood

2Hawthorn

3Sydney

4Fremantle

5Carlton

6Meth Coast (All depends on the 3 key players mentioned above)

7Adelaide (Good midfield and Tippett was inefectual most of 2012)

8Richmond and Cats to fight out this last spot however it is there for us if we improve enough and have the hunger, desire and want to make others pay for everything they inflicted upon the bulk of this playing group since 2009

Edited December 16, 201212 yr by Pennant St Dee

6th.

When did you get on the optimism bus?