There's always one....

yeah you.

yeah you.

Your incredibly clever response makes me afraid to debate this topic with you for fear of further humiliation.

Your incredibly clever response makes me afraid to debate this topic with you for fear of further humiliation.

Go watch his game this year at the Gabba against the Lions, then get back to me, the guy wouldnt get a game at most AFL clubs.

Go watch his game this year at the Gabba against the Lions, then get back to me, the guy wouldnt get a game at most AFL clubs.

That's one game in a season filled with multiple terrible performances by the majority of our players. If you're going to base your argument on one game, I will as well: Round 5 vs. St Kilda.

Could you imagine him playing for the Hawks or the Pies and kicking those floaters up in the air like he does, he has a dip but thats all his got, VFL player at best.

I remember him as a better kick a few seasons back. The last 2 years he has been looking to handball rather than kick, let's judge him more after this season when hopefully he will be coming off a full preseason with no injury concerns.

His endeavour is unquestioned. I look fwd to the time when Jordie struggles to get a game because everyone else tackles like him and throws themselves at opposition players.

If Jordie could kick he'd be a gun.Kicking is a big problem but he's not alone. No penetration, little accuracy, no damage.

Underrated kick, generally by those who don't know what they're talking about, and like to make uneducated blanket statements.

Due to the role he plays, the nature of his possessions, and his average quickness, he doesn't often kick the footy, or at least doesn't get much space to do it.

He is a raking kick, with average penetration, when he has done it in the past.

Go watch his game this year at the Gabba against the Lions, then get back to me, the guy wouldnt get a game at most AFL clubs.

Fourth in the Bluey, Coaches award, never say die, one of the first picked every week ...

Obviously the professionals at the club see plenty in him that you can't.

Great in the clinches.

Won the handballing comp on the Sunday Footy Show with some amazing rockets....

VFL player at best , dreadful skills and a shocking kick, you have to do more than tackle at AFL level.

Mods - we have a "like" button but desperately need a "dislike intensely" button too.

I believe a few players will find an extra gear this year , due to the extensive training program.

Jordie is a perfect candidate to be one of them.

my memory tells me Jnr MacD was a way better kick than him when he was a similar age.

When you are as poor a kick as McKenzie you have to be brilliant in the others aspects.

Lets not rewrite history .

Jnr was a shocker as well in the kicking dept but had the same G&D as Jordy does.

Go watch his game this year at the Gabba against the Lions, then get back to me, the guy wouldnt get a game at most AFL clubs.

Pfffft! You could say that about half our list. Three of our 'new' recruits couldn't get a game at other clubs! Clearly the bloke he's keeping out of the side needs to lift his game at least twice as far as JM.

Always loved the Ranga and his commitment. Jordie, like the rest, needs to rise to the next level that they are being coached too.

Raw hard worker who won't die wondering.

As evidenced by his top 5 placing in the B&F the club love him. I'm not as much of a fan because he lacks class. And when I pick a best 22 the best I can ever do is scrape him on to the bench. However...

I've been to training about 8 times this year and particularly paid attention to McKenzie's kicking. And I've done this because I consider him a horrible kick. Well, he's not a horrible kick at training. Like everyone he does the odd shocker, but in the main they're very good over most distances, are accurate and spin well. I have to say I was more than surprised. But I also appreciate that pressure in a real AFL game exposes people - training doesn't nearly as much. That said, I suspect much of it has to do with confidence, as he can kick well when not under pressure. And that's a start.

As evidenced by his top 5 placing in the B&F the club love him. I'm not as much of a fan because he lacks class. And when I pick a best 22 the best I can ever do is scrape him on to the bench. However...

I've been to training about 8 times this year and particularly paid attention to McKenzie's kicking. And I've done this because I consider him a horrible kick. Well, he's not a horrible kick at training. Like everyone he does the odd shocker, but in the main they're very good over most distances, are accurate and spin well. I have to say I was more than surprised. But I also appreciate that pressure in a real AFL game exposes people - training doesn't nearly as much. That said, I suspect much of it has to do with confidence, as he can kick well when not under pressure. And that's a start.

I've never thought it's his kicking so much as his decision making under pressure. He's not a particularly clever footballer.

We need clever footballers playing through the middle.

From the look of this thread, Jordie is in danger of becoming the new whipping boy. Still, I think Spencer has shown us all that it's possible to improve disposal with a bit of effort. He's been doing much better with his kicking lately, even with his dodgy technique. I'm sure Jordie is working on his kicking skills as well. Maybe they could pair him with Strauss or Watts to work on it?

Let's not delude ourselves here. In a half decent side (which we are still a way off) McKenzie a tagger at best. There's no shame it in that but it's fanciful to think he'll magically morph into Sam Mitchell.

I'd like to know what you thought about Nathan Jones in 2009.

It's easier kicking to a target in space, Jordie usually gets all his possessions in the hustle and bustle of it all where he does just move the ball forward, not going to be terribly accurate that way.

But he at least gets the bloody thing and not wait on the outside to be feed like so many others.

if you put Jordie on the outside he would kick better. we need him in the thick of it...

Edited December 10, 201212 yr by Bring Back Barassi

Lets not rewrite history .

Jnr was a shocker as well in the kicking dept but had the same G&D as Jordy does.

I don't remember that Biffen but I will take your word for it.

I'd like a few more like Jordie willing to put his head over the ball.

Sacrifice his game by doing the team things. Tagging superstars into frustration by just running with them all day.

OK sure his kicking isn't super but in and under and the quick handball out to an outside runner is extremely invaluable.

Every side has to have a Jordie. We had Godfrey a few years ago who couldn't kick 30m. and couldn't run out of sight in a thick fog.

But he tagged and annoyed as good as anyone

As evidenced by his top 5 placing in the B&F the club love him. I'm not as much of a fan because he lacks class. And when I pick a best 22 the best I can ever do is scrape him on to the bench. However...

I've been to training about 8 times this year and particularly paid attention to McKenzie's kicking. And I've done this because I consider him a horrible kick. Well, he's not a horrible kick at training. Like everyone he does the odd shocker, but in the main they're very good over most distances, are accurate and spin well. I have to say I was more than surprised. But I also appreciate that pressure in a real AFL game exposes people - training doesn't nearly as much. That said, I suspect much of it has to do with confidence, as he can kick well when not under pressure. And that's a start.

As Craig said a few days ago " anyone can look good at training" ( not about macca )

I will believe he is a good kick when he stops hitting the opposition on the chest in real Games.

Until then he is a solid player with an ordinary kick.

Saying he was fourth in the B&F does not say a lot in a year when we had 1 genuine win and were uncompetitive in 16 games is not saying a lot.

He was fourth best in a team that may have been the worst side the MFC has fielded in half a century.

Finishing fourth at the MFC in 2012 says more about the team than about Macca.

Jones was never a good kick before this season but he shows that by applying yourself and working very hard you can improve. Now he has a beautiful kick on him.