Training - Wednesday 14th November, 2012 Welcome Chris Dawes

[BIG JIM 508]

I had a chat to Jack Watts about demonland at the Best and Fairest.

I said have you ever been on there and he said he had seen it a few times.

Just think before you go bag a kid with loads of talent that could well read your crap.

The last thing Jack would want to see is MFC fan's baging him like the bloody media.

MFC SUPPORT the boy.

He also said he is training harder then ever under neeld

[Hannibal 5,814]

For the record I don't subscribe to the theory that you're not a true "supporter" if you question aspects of a players game.

I've always called it as I see it and always will.

[stuie 7,374]

Have a foot in both camps here fellas.

I agree that we are free to discuss our honest opinions on players performances etc, but there needs to be a reasonable limit to it, especially when you have to put up with certain posters (*cough* osilik) constant agendas on certain players.

[olisik 4,060]

So you DO like him then?

Come on mate, put the teenage tantrums away.

Read my post earlier that i wrotr about him. Sums up my thoughts on Watts

[Captain_Jack 88]

I had a chat to Jack Watts about demonland at the Best and Fairest.

I said have you ever been on there and he said he had seen it a few times.

Just think before you go bag a kid with loads of talent that could well read your crap.

The last thing Jack would want to see is MFC fan's baging him like the bloody media.

MFC SUPPORT the boy.

He also said he is training harder then ever under neeld

Well said Big Jim, Watts has showed more in his first few years than Hawkins did and he had a big body as well as an elite team around him to take the pressure off and deliver the footy on a plate.

Support the kid or shut up, some of you seem like are genuinely willing him to fail.

[_H_ 37]

i wonder if essendon are still waiting for dustin fletcher to bulk up??

Gold!

[skills32 229]

Well said Big Jim, Watts has showed more in his first few years than Hawkins did and he had a big body as well as an elite team around him to take the pressure off and deliver the footy on a plate.

Support the kid or shut up, some of you seem like are genuinely willing him to fail.

This thread is why TGR calls this site Strawberry Fields.

[old dee 23,801]

This thread is why TGR calls this site Strawberry Fields.

Excuse my ignorance skills32

but who is TGR?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Excuse my ignorance skills32

but who is TGR?

He's a TiGeR supporter who posts on Demonology, his hero is Terry Wallet and he puts [censored] on Demonland whenever he can because they banned him.

He will pick up a subject and run with it until it becomes mind numbingly boring and once it has he'll start it up again. He's been rabbiting on about Jolly for the last ten years and how he thought he was better that White. Skills, who posted the reference was a Moderator on Ology and his main claim to fame was deleting posts if anyone said crap or mentioned the mildest swear word, he was driven out of the job because of it. Then he talks about Land being Strawberry Fields, yeah right.

[Guest Demon Abroad]

Well said Big Jim, Watts has showed more in his first few years than Hawkins did and he had a big body as well as an elite team around him to take the pressure off and deliver the footy on a plate.

Support the kid or shut up, some of you seem like are genuinely willing him to fail.

....This sums things up perfectly, expectations were (still are) too high, give the kid a chance. He has great attributes - height, speed, decision making, disposal effectiveness, intercept marking..he will be at the worst a very solid player for the club.

Lets not spend the next 4 months thinking some big bicepts are the answer to all the clubs problems!!

[monoccular 17,443]

I mean this with all due respect.

The drills on the net business, and the easy going running stuff that people seem to be concerned with is interesting. I find it interesting because people want them to be doing 100% hard as you can running from this early on in the pre season.

Remember they have to go to Darwin and do hard training up there in a week or soonish, and it's what... week 2 of preseason? they are still in the analysis and specific individual training part of it all.

Whenever you're concerned just think, this is their job, Misson has trained the australian cricket team and st.kilda to relative success and try and look at the whole picture.

Sorry but I think you missed my (attempted) irony there. "On the net" where all of us here are as we read this !

[DeeZee 7,428]

For the record I don't subscribe to the theory that you're not a true "supporter" if you question aspects of a players game.

I've always called it as I see it and always will.

So you support Jack Watts then?

[jabberwocky 2,301]

I had a chat to Jack Watts about demonland at the Best and Fairest.

I said have you ever been on there and he said he had seen it a few times.

Just think before you go bag a kid with loads of talent that could well read your crap.

The last thing Jack would want to see is MFC fan's baging him like the bloody media.

MFC SUPPORT the boy.

He also said he is training harder then ever under neeld

If you are taking Olisik's views as representative of Demonland then we have no hope.

Please stop quoting the bloke people, it defeats the purpose of me putting him on the ignore list.

[Hannibal 5,814]

So you support Jack Watts then?

I support the club.

I applaud the efforts of players (where appropriate) and have a personal view on every single one of them. As I said, I call it as I see it. Watts is soft, but talented. It's up to him to overcome his short-comings.

Do you think the coach doesn't know that Watts is soft and what he needs to work on ? If you think it's escaped him you live in Noddy land. If it hasn't escaped the coach and I see it too, why should I pretend I don't ?

I don't and I won't. You can please yourself.

Edited November 15, 2012 by Ben-Hur

[DeeZee 7,428]

I support the club.

I applaud the efforts of players (where appropriate) and have a personal view on every single one of them. As I said, I call it as I see it. Watts is soft, but talented. It's up to him to overcome his short-comings.

Do you think the coach doesn't know that Watts is soft and what he needs to work on ? If you think it's escaped him you live in Noddy land. If it hasn't escaped the coach and I see it too, why should I pretend I don't ?

I don't and I won't. You can please yourself.

Ill take that as a no.

So when he takes a good mark or does something good in a game , you dont applaude but rather wince?

[nutbean 8,838]

My honest opinion of him is that so far he has not lived up to his #1 pick. Not his fault, BPs fault.

My views on Watts are well documented but this comment above is a giant cop-out. Watts was always going to go number 1 or 2. So if he has not met your expectations man up and blame Jack Watts not the recruiter.

If an expectation is reasonable and has not been met then the only person to blame is the player himself.

[Hannibal 5,814]

So when he takes a good mark or does something good in a game , you dont applaude but rather wince?

I've answered that in my post.

You're thick.

[DeeZee 7,428]

I've answered that in my post.

You're thick.

Resorting to personal attacks would suggest you are the thick one chum.

[rpfc 28,544]

My view is that any poster can write what they like.

But if you find yourself writing the same thing over and over again it is because you don't feel anyone is listening to you, or you have nothing else to say.

[olisik 4,060]

My views on Watts are well documented but this comment above is a giant cop-out. Watts was always going to go number 1 or 2. So if he has not met your expectations man up and blame Jack Watts not the recruiter.

If an expectation is reasonable and has not been met then the only person to blame is the player himself.

Why would I blame Watts? He didn't choose himself to be pick #1. BP did.

Blame a kid for something he had no power over?

If BP took him at pick #20 for example I wouldn't be posting 'He has not lived up to pick #20 so far'.

[mordja 187]

All this from a comment about his arms....god we love Jack.

As an aside I presume anyone calling for us to pick someone else at pick 1 isnt referring to NicNat because he made it abundantly clear in interviews that he was staying in WA, that any Vic club that took him could also pay for his family to be relocated for the term of his first contract and that he would be returning to WA at the end.

So I assume youd prefer maybe Hill, Hartlett, Sidebottom, Hurley......few good candidates in there, but lets just rid ourselves of the fantasy that we would have retained NicNat.

[nutbean 8,838]

Why would I blame Watts? He didn't choose himself to be pick #1. BP did.

Blame a kid for something he had no power over?

If BP took him at pick #20 for example I wouldn't be posting 'He has not lived up to pick #20 so far'.

You conveniently skipped over the part where I said it was obvious he would be picked in the first two and used the ridiculous pick 20 example. I'll cut you some slack and suggest he could have even have slipped through to pick 5 - would your expectation of him be any less ??

To take your argument to its logical conclusion that JW hasnt lived up to expectation of a top draft pick but it is BP fault for making him a top draft pick is a nonsense. His pre AFL performances dictated that JW would be a top draft pick so if you are unhappy with his form to date then there is only person to blame. BH is a vocal critical of JW but the only person he blames is JW.

[olisik 4,060]

You conveniently skipped over the part where I said it was obvious he would be picked in the first two and used the ridiculous pick 20 example. I'll cut you some slack and suggest he could have even have slipped through to pick 5 - would your expectation of him be any less ??

To take your argument to its logical conclusion that JW hasnt lived up to expectation of a top draft pick but it is BP fault for making him a top draft pick is a nonsense. His pre AFL performances dictated that JW would be a top draft pick so if you are unhappy with his form to date then there is only person to blame. BH is a vocal critical of JW but the only person he blames is JW.

I am happy to agree to dis-agree on this one. I am standing by it that the larger blame should be on BP.

It is BP's job to identify what traits/characteristics/skill sets players need to make it in the AFL and he obviously over-looked the fact that a bit of mongrel and hardness was a required part of a player to make it as a top line player.