The alleged rapes by 2 Saints players several years ago and the Saints schoolgirl sex incident got less coverage and venom than this. Wonderful society we live in.

I have now got over my initial shock.

There are two good things about this episode.

1. Speak to the advertising gurus, any publicity is good publicity.

2. If found guilty the the finding will have been tainted.

Her attack on the MFC is surely unprecedented..

And i find The Age's use of a photo of the team from this year offensive as well. Most of the players in the shot were not at Melbourne in 2009.

Wilson is clearly baiting the MFC and it's supporters with this article. She clearly has little left in the tank and is hoping to fan the story via ours and the clubs reaction. This is what the modern media has become, a grotesque parody of itself, inciting a story rather merely reporting one. To react would give the fire of hatred within her the oxygen it needs. Ignoring her and subsequently her relevance would hurt her far more. Her actions appear to be desperate and I would suggest that she knows the story is starting to die a natural death. Given her position if this were to happen her career would be irrevocably damaged. With this in mind we must understand that she will not let this story go lightly. We must react in a calm and considered manner that will not afford her avenues of attack. She has been throwing some wild haymakers in this fight but so far none have connected. Lets stay light on our feet.

Wilson calls us pathetic and disgusting when her own club has been just that for 30 years, which club's supporters spit on their own players, which club has failed for years to develop its players or recruit successfully; Richmond. Fiora, Oakley-Nichols, Tambling all high draft picks that have turned out to be duds and she has the nerve to have a go at us. How did they get Trent Cotchin by the way; they finished last after their coach admitted he stopped coaching the team in the hope they'd lose and he would get a priority pick; tanking perhaps?

Her father was the President of Richmond when it went broke and was also President when the club was involved in one of the most disgusting brawls ever at Windy Hill in 1974 where his right hand man Graeme Richmond was suspended for 17 matches for his involvement in the brawl.

Now we have the Dustin Martin saga and it appears that he is out of control and even though he is living with the Club President he is so uncontrollable that KB on SEN has said the may have to delist or trade him. Their new recruit Aaron Edwards was found guilty of being drunk in a public place; it seems the [censored] rubs off on them as soon as they sign up.

Wonderful club she supports and I can see why she wants to divert attention away from them.

Always be aware that often the enemy is within. This site would not be immune to such infestation either !

I'll put this to you BB the 99% of posters that come on here, I presume your average Demon supporter, are absolutely dismayed at the effect this is having on their football club. Yet we have 2 posters who seem to come on here only to tip a bucket on the current administration. Who would have such an axe to grind and who would still be close enough to have a bit of inside information,maybe even supply the press & the AFL themselves?

You tell me ?

There's an investigation and it will have a conclusion. Rightly, or wrongly, It was re-opened on the back of OTC and the club deals with it. I'm not privy to the machinations. The AFL deemed McLean's comments to be forthright, new and worthy of investigation.

You're an excitable type.

I presume that details matter. Natural justice implies to me (and i am not a lawyer) that not only will we get an opportunity to defend accusations and charges but that the process we have been subjected to should apply to all clubs. Kinda important detail as procedural fairness might well become relevant for all those interviewed as well as the manner in which the club has been treated by the AFL. So to call my point "semantics" might well miss the idea that the details and meaning are, in fact, an issue for us and the AFL. And one that they might not want to be questioned or cross-examined over.

And yes, I'm excitable.

We played a big body centre half forward in the midfield called Brad Miller and then delisted him. We played a big body centre half forward called Matthew Bate in the midfield and then .....................

We played Warnock and Frawley at full forward and centre half forward kept one and the other left for gold coast. We played Rivers and Garland at centre half forward and full forward and kept one and...................

The hysterical part about our experimentation is Neeld did exactly the same this year !!!!!!

I hate to say this but maybe we where tanking this season too. We had a priority pick to use and we needed to be as low a possible to use it right.

I have been saying this all season.

Every Teams we beat last season we would be even or a head at half time then all of a sudden we drop off and get smashed in the 3rd only to hold then back in the 4th.

Every club does this cause this is the only way to be in the best position to rebuild your list.

Fining us isn't the answer, they need to change the draft system to stop clubs from doing this cause they all do it.

I don't think CW's links to Richmond are relevent to the current issue. She obviously thinks she is justified in shooting the MFC down on the basis of information that has come her way. She is so confident that MFC will be found guilty that she is willing to risk litigation on the basis that the crime commited by MFC warrants her attack. So gleeful is her assassination of all things MFC that she has failed to see that she may have tarred the innocent along with the (perceived) guilty. I look forward, with glee, to the day when the innocent defend themselves with the full weight of the law!

Wow this thread is 66 long.

Isn't Caroline Wilson's dad Richmond president in 1980's?

Indeed one doesnt need to look too hard or long eh Loges ?

Indeed one doesnt need to look too hard or long eh Loges ?

No and its an absolute disgrace

It will come out in time.

Which translates as "I don't have a clue, but I do like to make myself sound informed and important".

Which translates as "I don't have a clue, but I do like to make myself sound informed and important".

or it will come out in time....when I and my fellow quislings decide to send more bile to wilson to fan the flames (under a no names published agreement)

Always be aware that often the enemy is within. This site would not be immune to such infestation either !

That's true, there are a couple on here that seem to have an axe to grind; never underestimate the wrath of those that have had, then lost, power.

As far as I can tell even if CS threatened all coaches and players with the sack if they won, he is not guilty of anything. The RULES in regard to not doing the best to win only cover the players and coaches. The other RULE was that clubs could get a priority pick in certain circumstances. A good administrator should work within the rules for the best of the his/her organisation. (however if CC said this may be different.)

As much as CW carries on, it was the rules that were the problem. She may not like it, but the AFL is bound by their own rules.

its the administrators that are in strife, not the coaches or players, Bailey experimented, the players gave there all, CC and CS by all reports from [censored] in the media have conspired to lose games, there in big trouble, Baileys covered his ass a treat, he never told the players to lose, in the AFL eyes he was experimenting, i dont think they will lose draft picks,because on field they tried to win, off field those two are looking at life time bans, and i hope thats the case.

She's clearly got a vendetta, and I'm certain it's to do with Schwab. Always finds a way to mention him without ever really expressly going for the jugular. Has wanted him out for years and took great delight when it looked like he'd leave after 186. Seems she didn't get her man that time but is determined to do so this time.

You are correct here.

A couple of seasons ago - quite out of the blue in March or April, I think - Caro wrote an extraordinary article headlined something like "CEO loan raises questions". The article was about an MFC loan of around $100-200k to Cameron Schwab. The article was extraordinary because the loan had been fully disclosed in the Melbourne Annual Report prepared several months prior as presented at the AGM at least 2-3 months before.

She was correct when she said that executive loans had become increasingly rare - and that directors needed to take special care before approving them. Given our less than strong financial position at the time, I picked up the loan in my review of the accounts. The disclosures were unusually comprehensive - and they satisfactorily answered every question I could possibly think of. Ernst and Young signed off the accounts None of the lawyers and accountants at the AGM saw a need to mention it. Nothing in it - no story - even at the time.

But away went Caro. "Even though the accounts said "X" there might be a problem if it turned out to be "Y"". "Cameron Schwab returned from Perth saying Z ....... and now this loan pops up.... makes you wonder" , she wrote. It was a none story when the accounts were released - and it certainly was a non-story 3 months later. Caro - was then - and is now - after Cameron Schwab.

Both the Wilsons and the Schwabs were heavily involved with the Richmond Football Club. The tigers were not terribly impressed when the young Cam wlaked out of his job there and came to Melbourne.Caroline and Cameron are around the same age. Let me do a Caro.... "is there some history there?"Caro wrote glowingly of young "sportsmanlike" players - aka Brock McLean - being disillusioned by the MFC's policies. Let's not forget that Brock has a link to Richmond as well - through his Uncle Ricky. I wonder if that has something to do with her unquestioning faith in the word of an employee of the club that won the Kreuzer Cup.

You are right - Caro wants to destroy a forner employee of her beloved Richmond football club Cameron Schwab

Trouble is ... it looks like she's going to do it!!

or it will come out in time....when I and my fellow quislings decide to send more bile to wilson to fan the flames (under a no names published agreement)

yes i think this is more the case. What better place to guage feelings than right here.

I look forward, with glee, to the day when the innocent defend themselves with the full weight of the law!

What about the innocent not here to defend themselves?

If Jim was still with us it would have been put back to bed long ago.

Edited November 3, 201212 yr by 71 Molloy

Isn't Caroline Wilson's dad Richmond president in 1980's?

Yep 1974 to 1984 Alan Schwab (Cam's dad) was Secretary for 3 of those years and Cam was Secretary for 7 years, not under Wilson though. That's obviously where the hatred comes from.

You are correct here.

A couple of seasons ago - quite out of the blue in March or April, I think - Caro wrote an extraordinary article headlined something like "CEO loan raises questions". The article was about an MFC loan of around $100-200k to Cameron Schwab. The article was extraordinary because the loan had been fully disclosed in the Melbourne Annual Report prepared several months prior as presented at the AGM at least 2-3 months before.

She was correct when she said that executive loans had become increasingly rare - and that directors needed to take special care before approving them. Given our less than strong financial position at the time, I picked up the loan in my review of the accounts. The disclosures were unusually comprehensive - and they satisfactorily answered every question I could possibly think of. Ernst and Young signed off the accounts None of the lawyers and accountants at the AGM saw a need to mention it. Nothing in it - no story - even at the time.

But away went Caro. "Even though the accounts said "X" there might be a problem if it turned out to be "Y"". "Cameron Schwab returned from Perth saying Z ....... and now this loan pops up.... makes you wonder" , she wrote. It was a none story when the accounts were released - and it certainly was a non-story 3 months later. Caro - was then - and is now - after Cameron Schwab.

Both the Wilsons and the Schwabs were heavily involved with the Richmond Football Club. The tigers were not terribly impressed when the young Cam wlaked out of his job there and came to Melbourne.Caroline and Cameron are around the same age. Let me do a Caro.... "is there some history there?"Caro wrote glowingly of young "sportsmanlike" players - aka Brock McLean - being disillusioned by the MFC's policies. Let's not forget that Brock has a link to Richmond as well - through his Uncle Ricky. I wonder if that has something to do with her unquestioning faith in the word of an employee of the club that won the Kreuzer Cup.

You are right - Caro wants to destroy a forner employee of her beloved Richmond football club Cameron Schwab

Trouble is ... it looks like she's going to do it!!

Good points.

But, I would like to think in the end this can of worms she seems hellbent on up-ending, might just crawl towards Punt Road and into her "beloved" Tiger den. There are quiet a few old Tiges and ex-coaches who have axes to grind...as there is in every club I am sure. The issue might not be the same, but the dirt could/would be just as damaging.

You are correct here.

A couple of seasons ago - quite out of the blue in March or April, I think - Caro wrote an extraordinary article headlined something like "CEO loan raises questions". The article was about an MFC loan of around $100-200k to Cameron Schwab. The article was extraordinary because the loan had been fully disclosed in the Melbourne Annual Report prepared several months prior as presented at the AGM at least 2-3 months before.

She was correct when she said that executive loans had become increasingly rare - and that directors needed to take special care before approving them. Given our less than strong financial position at the time, I picked up the loan in my review of the accounts. The disclosures were unusually comprehensive - and they satisfactorily answered every question I could possibly think of. Ernst and Young signed off the accounts None of the lawyers and accountants at the AGM saw a need to mention it. Nothing in it - no story - even at the time.

But away went Caro. "Even though the accounts said "X" there might be a problem if it turned out to be "Y"". "Cameron Schwab returned from Perth saying Z ....... and now this loan pops up.... makes you wonder" , she wrote. It was a none story when the accounts were released - and it certainly was a non-story 3 months later. Caro - was then - and is now - after Cameron Schwab.

Both the Wilsons and the Schwabs were heavily involved with the Richmond Football Club. The tigers were not terribly impressed when the young Cam wlaked out of his job there and came to Melbourne.Caroline and Cameron are around the same age. Let me do a Caro.... "is there some history there?"Caro wrote glowingly of young "sportsmanlike" players - aka Brock McLean - being disillusioned by the MFC's policies. Let's not forget that Brock has a link to Richmond as well - through his Uncle Ricky. I wonder if that has something to do with her unquestioning faith in the word of an employee of the club that won the Kreuzer Cup.

You are right - Caro wants to destroy a forner employee of her beloved Richmond football club Cameron Schwab

Trouble is ... it looks like she's going to do it!!

Ricky Mclean also played for Carlton.

It won't be Wilson that destroys Schwab it will be the AFL if he's done something wrong, her rantings will have nothing to do with it. It's more likely that the worms within the club, handing out confidential information, will bring about his downfall.

What really annoys me is this is exactly the kind of reaction she is after, she is pushing all our buttons. The Age (which I used to like, especially compared to the Herald Sun) will be selling more papers and getting many more hits on the website.

Interesting to me is how much more balanced the H-Sun has been on this issue.

They made a point of detailing suspicions against several other clubs, notably the Pies, Blues, Eagles and Hawks.

Yet the Age has not wanted to touch that and CW simply wipes their cases away with one line.

Its coverage does seem highly directed and narrow. Have to wonder what its purpose might be because someone here, and not necessarily only the journalist, has an agenda.

its the administrators that are in strife, not the coaches or players, Bailey experimented, the players gave there all, CC and CS by all reports from [censored] in the media have conspired to lose games, there in big trouble, Baileys covered his ass a treat, he never told the players to lose, in the AFL eyes he was experimenting, i dont think they will lose draft picks,because on field they tried to win, off field those two are looking at life time bans, and i hope thats the case.

CC perhaps, because he may have told the room of 15 of the implications of loosing and made threatening comments. There is a rule covering coaches inciting coaches and players to loose.

But I don't know what rule CS is supposed to have broken. Tanking is not an AFL rule.

I don't have a view on CS. Never met him and while he has done some good stuff for the club I am concerned about the number of people that don't like him.

But he does deserve to be treated fairly. Either there is compelling evidence he has broken an AFL rule or there isn't. As yet I haven't seen any.

CW article this morning proves she has an agenda, and so everything she has written this week should be ignored.

Edit: Spelling

Edited November 3, 201212 yr by Flying Cloud

The real story of this Wilson driven malarkie goes way back to when a young Cam Schwab was working late in to the night at Punt Rd and had to give an interview to the new footy girl for the Age.

lets just say things got more "revealing" than Cam was intending.

He has never been able to talk to her since but she keeps calling

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