On 14/10/2012 at 09:41, The Great One 99 said:

I am keen on Stringer too. Probably 4 is too high for him, but I would still be happy.

Stringer's the slider who everyone will wonder how he got taken so late. Wines is good, solid ordinary player. Stringer might just make everyone look like they don't want the ball compared to him.

Wines, Stringer and O'Rourke in that order of preference. I'd have Toumpas before those three but I doubt he'll be there at our pick.

I can not agree that we have good inside midfield Jones is reasonable, stands out in out team, but not a star, has to learn how to pretend to punch the ball once he falls on it and is tackled. McKenzie is a tagger not really an attacker, Silvia, hmmm best position is half forward is not consistent enough for the midfield in my opinion. and Trengrove is still learning, not a great year this year. We need insides and outside midfielders any of the 3 would be a great addition and probably be starting first game with Viney, I wish we could get two decent mids, but we will probably need to give away our 20th pick for Dawes, so may need to go with a recylced player like Rodan which maybe enough to get us through the year.

We can only take one so I like Wines and doubt that Toumpas will be there anyway.

Grundy will also be a very god player but I doubt he'll be here either.

The thing is they are all competing against their own age group at the moment and the silky skills and great kicking skills can easily disappear under the pressure of an AFL game. So of all those that are available I have more faith in Wines being able to adapt to senior football than some of the others.

Wines for me and if we get him I will be a very happy Demon.

  On 14/10/2012 at 09:54, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

I think O'Rourke will be the most complete midfielder.

Can win it on the inside and has exceptional skills, pace and endurance.

Here's what Martin Allison, former Calder coach, says about him:

"He has exquisite kicking skills, which makes him stand out. Whilst he's more than capable inside the contest, I think his strength is on the outside," Allison says.

"He glides across the oval and he's a fantastic runner. So I think he's going to be a pretty handy acquisition."

I wouldn't be unhappy with Wines but I really want a skillful mid with pace. I get the impression Wines is a josh caddy battering ram but doesn't really hurt the opposition with his possessions.

His higlight reel is full of hurtful possession use as is Toumpas'.

  On 14/10/2012 at 03:24, young dee enthusiast said:

i'm going with O'rourke, simply because we need outside players. I think we already have good inside players (Jones, Viney, sylvia, Mckenzie) but we don't have very many outside midfielders for these guys to give it to. O'rourke adds a fair bit of class too which we definitely need. That being said i would still be very happy to have wines in our side

Don't be surprised if we take him, I'd prefer Wines but I think the club really like O'Rourke.

  On 14/10/2012 at 07:18, DeeZee said:

It's seems destined....fruit of the vine , Viney and Wines.

You beat me to it 'DeeZee'.

Grundy then Wines!

Both would be nice.

Kennedy...goal kicking small forward with good pace who can also do clearance work

I voted Toumpas, but he won't be available. After him I want Wines, O'Rourke and Grundy (in that order).

I would hazard a guess that Neeld and Todd Viney are all over Wines. Big bodied, ball magnet, competitive, mates with JV, hard as a cat's head, good skills.

I want a Dustin Martin, Patrick Dangerfield type bull-at-a-gate with our pick that is ready to go from Day 1.

Wines for me.

  On 14/10/2012 at 07:15, Biffen said:

What happened to Stringer?

Falls into the category of other.

  On 14/10/2012 at 08:59, Goodvibes said:

Who's the closest to Patrick Dangerfield?

That would be O'Rourke I reckon.

Wouldn't be disapointed with O'Rourke at all. In fact, until I read that article where Viney & Wines spoke on eachother I was hoping for O'Rourke.

The article just swayed me as I reckon having both Viney & Wines at the club will be great for our culture as these two will drive and push eachother to get the best out of themselves and their team mates. Also like the sound of Wines' leadership and the fact he hates loosing.

Time will tell as to which way we go I guess.

Edit: Stupid computer.

Lets face it, whoever we get... Be it Wines, O'Rourke, Grundy, Mayes, Stringer or any other kid.

We will all be a lil shattered that we didn't get Toumpas.

  On 14/10/2012 at 21:44, Demons 32 said:

Lets face it, whoever we get... Be it Wines, O'Rourke, Grundy, Mayes, Stringer or any other kid.

We will all be a lil shattered that we didn't get Toumpas.

I've been pushing for Toumpas since 2011 so will be disappointed if we don't get him.

Personally I say T Membrey. hard at it, tough forward who kicks goals. Unlikely as he will go around 15- 25 mark.

Torn Between Wines & O Rourke.

As long as Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines don't go 1, 2 and 3 then I will be happy.

I wonder who BP would draft at pick #4 if he was still in charge. My guess is that he would have had Barry shortlisted for pick 4

It will be interesting to see MN's drafting strategy should we take the ruckman Grundy (or should he be available) at pick 4. That would mean we only recruit one high quality small midfielder in this draft (Viney). Most here agree that our midfield sucks and the main priority this year was to get a number of very good mids. So far in the trade period we have seen good results in seeking KPPs. ATM, we have Jones as our only elite performing mid. Whilst Trenners, Grimes, et al might become A graders, I was under the impression that we were going to target very good mids this year. Or do we wait until next year's draft?

And yes, I am aware that a ruckman is considered part of the midfield.

  On 14/10/2012 at 23:23, Moonshadow said:

It will be interesting to see MN's drafting strategy should we take the ruckman Grundy (or should he be available) at pick 4. That would mean we only recruit one high quality small midfielder in this draft (Viney). Most here agree that our midfield sucks and the main priority this year was to get a number of very good mids. So far in the trade period we have seen good results in seeking KPPs. ATM, we have Jones as our only elite performing mid. Whilst Trenners, Grimes, et al might become A graders, I was under the impression that we were going to target very good mids this year. Or do we wait until next year's draft?

And yes, I am aware that a ruckman is considered part of the midfield.

Next year we will only have 1 high pick most likely remember, unless we do so sh#t and get another PP which is unlikely.

I would imagine we will take pick #4 as a mid and next year around pick #6-8 as a complimenting mid to debut with Hogan.

Could even result in 2 top 5 picks 2 years straight. (Viney & Pick 4 this year) and (Hogan and First rounder next year)

  On 14/10/2012 at 23:19, olisik said:

As long as Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines don't go 1, 2 and 3 then I will be happy.

I wonder who BP would draft at pick #4 if he was still in charge. My guess is that he would have had Barry shortlisted for pick 4

You mean the player that we have already recruited?

Burn...

Unless you've seen a lot of these players it's difficult to make this judgment and I haven't seen enough of any of them. I haven't seen any of them play live. I have seen them on Foxtel, as well as the TAC Cup GF on computer. So anything I say should be taken with a grain of salt. My contribution is based as much on theory as anything.

Toumpas - does everything well. Good pace, great kick, great decisions, great runner, real leader.

O'Rourke (183cm) - classier than Wines. Quicker and a better kick, but also a good contested ball winner.

Wines (188cm/90kg) - big bodied mid who excels at winning contested footy and distributing to others. Solid skills, but not elite.

Grundy (202cm/100kg) - athletic ruckman with a healthy dose of nastiness. Will play a lot of senior footy in his first year.

Macrae (189cm) - smooth moving tall and quick outside left footer with fantastic evasive ability and a knack of kicking goals. Great kick.

So who to choose ? In order:

1. Toumpas, but won't be there.

2. Grundy, I doubt he'll be there, but he'd be too good to pass up - despite our desperate need for quality mids. Will develop into arguably the best ruckman in the game. In due course, Clark, Hogan and Grundy would give you a genuine crack at a flag.

3. Wines, premiership midfields are built around hard nosed big bodied mids. You need outside class too, but AFL footy is all about winning contested ball and Wines and Viney would be the engine room of a quality midfield for a decade.

4. O'Rourke, I really like this guy and reckon he'll be a consumate mid for a long time.

5. Macrae, you'd take him in a flash at pick 4 if you were Sydney, who already has the hardnuts in place. We don't and Macrae is unfortunately a luxury we presently can't afford.

Conclusion:

As much as I've listed Wines at no. 3 I'm hoping and expecting he's the one that falls our way. You just can't go past big bodied contested midfielders who accummulate the footy. Having Grundy ahead of him is based purely on "best available talent" at pick 'X'. But, like others. I can't see GWS overlooking him. If they do it will be fascinating to see what Melbourne do.

I haven't included Stringer, because I reckon pick 4 is too early. There's debate whether he'll be a better mid or forward and right now there are a couple of genuine mids who are ahead of him.

An uneducated guess as the only knowledge I really have of these guys is based on the write-ups on here and BF but I've gone Toumpas just as he seems to be rated a highly skilled player who can complement guys like Viney and Jones. However he will be gone by then so Wines it is who will be great for us I think as he seems to have the right attitude and desire to hit and be hit in the contest. He also seems to be a decent finisher and likes a goal which is something our midfield sorely lacks.

  On 14/10/2012 at 23:28, rpfc said:

You mean the player that we have already recruited?

Burn...

How is that burn? If BP was in charge we wouldn't have already recruited him...

Pick 1-5 is such an easy one to [censored] up.

I rate Toumpas and Vines on a par after watching their reels.

If we get one of these guys I will stop whipping myself over past errors.

  On 14/10/2012 at 23:42, olisik said:

How is that burn? If BP was in charge we wouldn't have already recruited him...

I think something was lost in the delivery - you are indirectly damning a new recruit by saying he would have been a bad recruit in this Prendergast hypothetical.

  On 15/10/2012 at 00:01, rpfc said:

I think something was lost in the delivery - you are indirectly damning a new recruit by saying he would have been a bad recruit in this Prendergast hypothetical.

It would have been a damning recruit if BP was in charge and had taken him at #4 (Which is something he potentially could have done)

Please don't twist what I say like that, it ain't cool