Gees Tex if this is how your feeling in early September I think it's best you lock yourself in a panic room until the end of October.

Gysberts has no physicality and will be pushed aside in our team for the next 2-3 years as our younger bodies develop. At that point he will have had 5 years in the system and probably only added another 15 games. He is a victim of bad choices made before and around him but we can't keep all these under developed, under performing guys and expect to get better. If someone else wants him and we can get a bigger body that helps us get some respect and self belief back then it must be done.

Hold on to your hat mate. You'll see a lot more going down in the next 6 weeks. We haven't even scratched the surface.

This site is slowly growing on me...some of the 10 page drafting threads read like Cheech and Chong but with haircuts and wearing suits but this one...this one is GOLD. More please Tex,its a long off season and Blueys posts are usually terse and quickly digested

wow...i'm not sure what world you're living in mate....but i don't give a sh*t who plays for us next year, just as long as we're winning.

Silly me, I thought this was a thread about Gysberts

But I can see it's about Neeld, so I'll leave.

Great Passion TEX,

My family and nephews (most were DEES supporters ) noticed many awkward changes and decisions during the year., many tthat you have mentioned.

They refuse to pay and watch the boundary grabbing football and will not accept horrible school boy football. .

They now go and watch the best match available in the round and enjoy great football.

Most of your points are valid, Only those in denial could argue with you.

This club is a MESS

Tex can you tell us what Gysberts has actually done in his time at the club?

I don't agree with everything the OP said, but geez I'll be very disappointed if Gys has been cut. Has a heap of talent, something we sorely lack in the midfield amongst our current meat and potatoes lineup. It will raise questions about Neeld, as in, has he got the skills to get the best out of players or does he just cut anyone who can't do it by themselves?

I don't agree with everything the OP said, but geez I'll be very disappointed if Gys has been cut. Has a heap of talent, something we sorely lack in the midfield amongst our current meat and potatoes lineup. It will raise questions about Neeld, as in, has he got the skills to get the best out of players or does he just cut anyone who can't do it by themselves?

It's a 2 way street Stuie, a couple of players who have worked hard to prove critics wrong are Clark and Jones. Does Neeld get credit for getting the best out of them?

Neeldy's first address to the players. I don't think he could make it any clearer that if you don't meet a certain level of commitment, you don't play.

Looks like Gysberts was an abject failure in this regard.

Once again, poor recruiting.

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Looks like we didn't get value in the Brock trade after all.

Just goes to show, a years a long time in footy.

I personally believe that Brock will only get better aswell - but he left for his reasons.

If Gysberts does leave, we'll get something in return I'd assume.

I expect both Jordie and Cale to be departures and possibly Bennell.

Neeld seems to want ticker and I like his stance.

Most of your points are valid, Only those in denial could argue with you.

This club is a MESS

The real denial lies in those that thought we were travelling OK under the old regime

Jam your 8.5 wins last year, the club was already a mess when Neeld got his hands on it. thank god he at least has the balls to step on toes and take a long term view instead of accepting the odd massacre of non-Victorian teams at the 'G and/or expansion teams as 'progress'

Just a point on Gysberts, his kicking is poor his endurance even poorer. To watch pre-season last year and to have a slow midfielder running in ther last group, alarm bells would have been ringing. We have no idea what goes on in the club, but I know all players would have certain targets they would have to acheive, Gys has been in good enough form at Casey to get a game over the past 2 months, for him not to be getting games has to be about him not hitting his targets. As mentioned watching him at pre-season I reckon his targets would be based around endurance.

It's a 2 way street Stuie, a couple of players who have worked hard to prove critics wrong are Clark and Jones. Does Neeld get credit for getting the best out of them?

Good point, and I agree with that, he has done great things with those guys. I just worry that he'll be cutting a very young player who has a heap of talent but obviously needs some teaching/coaching, when that is his job. What happens in the future? Anyone that needs coaching gets shown the door?

i like your passion Tex but chill. i agree, if gysberts is got rid of then i think there'll be a few of us that turn our heads and start to question Neeld, but we need to sit tight. Ok, if by this time next year we are producing the same shite then Neeld is in strife, especially if he's offloaded players of gysberts quality and picked up rubbish. Melb FC are guilty of drafting errors over the last 5 years and Neeld now have to deal with it, as they say 'a new broom sweeps clean' but i'd def keep gysberts.

i like your passion Tex but chill. i agree, if gysberts is got rid of then i think there'll be a few of us that turn our heads and start to question Neeld, but we need to sit tight. Ok, if by this time next year we are producing the same shite then Neeld is in strife, especially if he's offloaded players of gysberts quality and picked up rubbish. Melb FC are guilty of drafting errors over the last 5 years and Neeld now have to deal with it, as they say 'a new broom sweeps clean' but i'd def keep gysberts.

So in the same breath as saying the MFC has committed 'drafting errors' you still say you will 'question' Neeld and that you'd 'prefer to keep Gysberts'?

How about you trust the coach who's come from a winning culture, who understands the attributes players must possess to make it at AFL level.

Talent means nothing without the requisite will and commitment to push oneself.

The team had a low fitness base, 2012 was written off and the focus has been to build that base. The boundary footy was needed so as to reduce the heavy scoring against us and to practice a more defensive game.

Just about the thread of the year. Cite a reference, that doesn't exist; toss in a clue like Petterd and superstar in the same sentence and sit back and watch the knickers twist.

Good work Tex (or possibly not).

Just about the thread of the year. Cite a reference, that doesn't exist; toss in a clue like Petterd and superstar in the same sentence and sit back and watch the knickers twist.

Good work Tex (or possibly not).

Not to mention the fact he attempts to pin the blame of drafting Cook over Darling on Neeld and Co.

Rabble of a thread

Is Tex Stuie? Or is Tex another bloke wiithout a clue?

Where can make a donation to buy Tex a new keyboard. The enter key must be in pieces after that furious outburst.

I'm trying to be optimistic but...

2012 is easily, without a doubt one of the club's worst years ever.

I'm trying to be optimistic but...

2012 is easily, without a doubt one of the club's worst years ever.

Funny though ... in the long run it may actually turn out to be one of the best.

Finally someone - Neeld - is taking a stand and saying "we're not putting up with this [censored] anymore".

There's a definite change in ethos occurring here.

Anyone confirm the truth of this or is this just another one for the rumor mill?

Just a point on Gysberts, his kicking is poor his endurance even poorer. To watch pre-season last year and to have a slow midfielder running in ther last group, alarm bells would have been ringing. We have no idea what goes on in the club, but I know all players would have certain targets they would have to acheive, Gys has been in good enough form at Casey to get a game over the past 2 months, for him not to be getting games has to be about him not hitting his targets. As mentioned watching him at pre-season I reckon his targets would be based around endurance.

I think that's a very important point you make Dr D.

I too was excited about Gys in his first few games. But he hasn't developed physically or fittness wise since. A young talented kid like him should be making every effort to build a body and a tank. He has good inside skills and has the ability to find the ball, but his foot skills are average and he doesn't run enough. I'm worried IF he goes that we have not had the ability (under Bailey or Neeld) to develop this kid to anywhere near his potential. He has to want to do it, but is also the FDs job to teach him to do what is required.

I've not seen a link to this yet, and the Hun is hardly gospel truth. Given the hysteria on Land at the moment regarding exits etc, we should take it with a grain until the club confirms it.

It is also important to remember tha Gys IS contracted for 2013, so we are highly unlikely to delist or pay him out. He must be traded to go elsewhere and if Neeld plays hardball (which is what he seems to be), then a trade should be win/win.

We finished 16th as you mentioned many times. The list aint up to it Tex.

Mark Neeld didn't recruit these players.

Pick 11-12. The club blew these bad.