The only change I can possibly see is Grimes being made full captain and Trenners VC, perhaps Jones Co-VC. Grimes has had an excellent second half of the year, remembering how much footy he has missed its not surprising he started slowly. I expect he'll finish 2nd to Jones in the B&F.

This ^^^.

That is all.

You haven't seen it?

So, the footy dept is wrong because you can't see it?

Trengove isn't a leader, he should be no where near the captaincy.

No where near it!

Im expecting Neeld to man up here and Jones to be appointed captain of 2013..

Double-you-tee-eff...are you down training with Jack every morning?

How could you possibly tell whether or not his leadership qualities are up to scratch? I see JT week in, week out, lead by example and constantly do the team things a captain should.

On my list of 2012 positives, the two Jacks are near the top.

Trengove isn't a leader, he should be no where near the captaincy.

No where near it!

Not what 80% of people were saying on this board in 2011.

It was there last year, he can regain it.

Double-you-tee-eff...are you down training with Jack every morning?

How could you possibly tell whether or not his leadership qualities are up to scratch? I see JT week in, week out, lead by example and constantly do the team things a captain should.

On my list of 2012 positives, the two Jacks are near the top.

Jack Grimes certainly had a good, consistant year.

But Trengove, positives and 2012 should never be put in the same sentence.

Jones for captain in 2013.

Jack Grimes certainly had a good, consistant year.

But Trengove, positives and 2012 should never be put in the same sentence.

Jones for captain in 2013.

Why don't we rotate the BandF winner through the captaincy every year. That was Moloney would have been captain this year, that would have worked out well wouldn't it, hmmmm.

Grimes and Trengove were the best leaders last year, I don't see how (especially given the weight off captaincy on a 20 year old) a mixed season from Trengove changes things. His faults from this year where his disposal (which they are working on when really they should have left it alone because he was a lovely kick when he came to the club) and his speed, which I think has been hampered by his excellent endurance and playing a lot of footy early in his career. None of those have any barring on his leadership.

I'd gladly promote Jones to sole VC but I wouldn't mess with the captains.

I would like to see Grimes made sole captain and Trengove ,Jones and Clark deputies.

No leave it as it, give the 2 captains time to grow into the role as I felt both of them improved as the year went on, if you watched Trengove speak at the Foundation Dinner he has improved out of sight compared to the start of the season and I reckon his football improved as the year went on.

Time to show some sort of stability with all the trade/draft and delistings going on.

Also don't want to weigh Jones down with it either, he made giant leaps forward this year and if he shows that level of improvement again next year I believe he could become an elite on baller!

Changing captaincy again would look bad.

The things that annoys me about this topic is the media and supporters commentating on leadership. The best leaders should do the majority of the work behind closed doors.

Last year in the Sun Nathan Van Berlo was voted the leagues worst captain and look what the team has produced under him this year. We're just not a position to judge.

Melbourne players and staff are the best to make the judgment, and if they thought Jones would be better I would back their decision however your ascertain that Trengove and Grimes are bad captains and Jones is a good one is quite simply not one you are in any position to make.

Not that I'm shocked Dingaling, I'm yet to see any post of yours that is rational in the slightest.

this gives me the shits, for a number of reasons.

1) players vote for captains, what we think literally means NOTHING

2) just because a player has a good year doesn't mean he should be captain

eg Green 2010 almost AA, 2011 horrible year.

Going by this theory, Moloney should have been captain this year!!!!

This has nothing to do with Jones, love him has a player, love Moloney as a player, but just because they have one good year......

this thread is a case of having a new thread for the sake of a new thread , bloody sick of these dumb stupid polls , how about poll to gauge a reaction to polls by 1 , bored people 2 very bored people 3 trolls , 4 inbreds 5 lost souls , 6 goons that start polls , 7 goons that start silly polls , 8 vote in polls for the starter of most polls 9 vote for the silliest poll , 10 , vote for the best poll , (if possible ), well for me its good ol #9 , rubbish poll , im not voting , !, can i start a poll , ummmm titled , more , less , or no polls , but if polls are about polls is that worth having a poll about ? yay or nay ? ,,,, grrrr is that a poll , ? im polled out here , anyone else ?

There is an argument that he should've been captain THIS year but the beds been made and the jacks will do alright with it for the next decade or so

You just dont know [censored] about football, that is not my fault.

You don't know what goes on Monday to Friday at the club - behind closed doors.

Nathan has been a more than capable LEADER without the need for a formal title. He just leads by example, and hopefully those who have the strength of character and body to make it through to 2013 will just feel they must follow him.

One of the few highlights this year is how happy the club is with their young leaders. There is zero chance that anything will change next year.

Trengove captained SA as a junior and was voted into the position by his peers. He's clearly a leader and respected at the club. His laid back speaking style simply represents his SA country origins.

Why are there so many [censored] posters on this site ?

You don't just change captains to who plays well every year. If Trengove played as well as Jones did this year, there wouldn't be any question as to whether he should be captain. There is so much more to leadership than playing well. Unless you have an active role at the club, you really have no idea who the best leaders are.

You don't know what goes on Monday to Friday at the club - behind closed doors.

Haha that's exactly the point and the reason this topic is as valid as a Thai 'girl'.

Flogging a dead horse

Maybe Neeld wanted to do what collingwood has with Maxwell and have the Captain in defense.

It seems like the Melbourne board had other plans and wanted trengrove as Captain that why they are co-captain. Possibly that's what they could had put in his contract to keep him from going to GWS.

Neeld said at the start of the season he didn't like the idea of co-caption, it just seems a bit odd that that's what ended up happening.

This all just my theory though

Maybe Neeld wanted to do what collingwood has with Maxwell and have the Captain in defense.

It seems like the Melbourne board had other plans and wanted trengrove as Captain that why they are co-captain. Possibly that's what they could had put in his contract to keep him from going to GWS.

Neeld said at the start of the season he didn't like the idea of co-caption, it just seems a bit odd that that's what ended up happening.

This all just my theory though

What's wrong with the theory that Neeld said himself? The players voted, Grimes and Trengove were clear standouts, and they couldn't split them. I'll take the man on his word

Maybe Neeld wanted to do what collingwood has with Maxwell and have the Captain in defense.

Yet Neeld played Grimes through the middle more and more as the year rolled on and, most likely, will to an even greater degree into the future.

Yes we need a way to make Grimes and Trengove turn to crap so we can reward Jonesy.

If we sacked them now we would be a bigger joke than we already are .

A great idea if we want the whole club to pack in and die.

It seems like the Melbourne board had other plans and wanted trengrove as Captain that why they are co-captain. Possibly that's what they could had put in his contract to keep him from going to GWS.

I would be staggered if that was the case, Neeld loves Trengove there is zero chance in my mind that this went down, especially since Neeld appears to be the sort of person that wouldn't take that kind of interference.

Jack Grimes certainly had a good, consistant year.

But Trengove, positives and 2012 should never be put in the same sentence.

Jones for captain in 2013.

Yes we get it, you want Jones as captain.

Yes we get it, you want Jones as captain.

He's our leader, he should be captain.

But, ill leave the thread alone for a while.