McDonald is a ripper and will be better then all our first round picks.

Well done mate hold your head high.

33 disposals to brock mclean how the hell does that happen

God only knows

We had the chance to walk of the ground with our head held high at 3 quarter time win or lose but NO they said were the MFC we must give up and get flogged.

Moloney must go now he was belted by Ellard who is a VFL player at best and bring in couch.

100% agree. Why does he crash packs grab the ball and either stop and wait for a ball up or do a stupid 360 and turn back into the pack. He is not a bad footballer normally but far from a top player should have been dropped last week and should again this week

Watts needs to spend a year in the VFL. See how much he really wants to play AFL. He's another party boy that needs to pull his head in a decide if this is what he wants to do.

Bringing in the sub early always has an effect on the last quarter. This in part explains the exhausted efforts in the last.

Bringing in the sub early always has an effect on the last quarter. This in part explains the exhausted efforts in the last.

Very underrated point...

Maybe concentration and skills will come with elite fitness, the good teams have it WE lack all 3, Maldonboy. And yes it it damm frustrating

Bringing in the sub early always has an effect on the last quarter. This in part explains the exhausted efforts in the last.

Very good point. Green went off after the firrst goal, i think.

He couldn't catch McLean, twice and McLean was only jogging.

Hes been chasing all day and putting in multiple efforts.

Why do we play Bennell who has pace?

It's exhausting always being so disappointed.

We were competitive enough for 2 quarters. But to be happy with that is to concede utter life defeat.

I know some smart arses will bang on about meaningless positives, but at the end of the day we lost by a large margin again. We were invisible for a whole quarter. We got thrashed in the clearances. We are 0-9.

So forgive me for not giving two shits about the positives because they do nothing to override the sinking feeling that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train carrying horse manure.

I read demonland day in day out very really post, I agree with you too jaded it's hard and mentally draining trying to take positives away from each game. We played good for 1 and half qrts, ok for another qrt and half and IMO pathetic in the last from we were one again blown away in every aspect of the game and takes away the positive efforts from early in the game. I'm a pretty positive person and get pretty tired of defending my team and the players constantly quite frankly there's not a great deal to defend today they dropped there heads stopped working and running. How did Carlton suddenly find extra fitness? Oh well another week being a dees supporter thank god I also follow the storm passionately!

Ellard was Carlton's third highest possession getter. lol

Moloney can [censored] off for all I care anymore.

It's the repeat efforts that hurts Watts at the minute - good for the first contest, sub-par in the second, and nowhere in the third. He's getting himself involved though and that is a key thing.

I thought we were better and at 3 qtr time had the same amounts of I50 and uncontested possies. That is great. Clearances were awful and contested possies were not great but improvement was there.

Not too many passengers - Magner and Moloney were better than their stats suggest and Bennell was trying hard for little return. Poor old Brad Green...

I'm happier, if not happy. I saw some spread and some dare and some passion and some smarts.

0-11 is an absolute certainty now and we will go into the clash with gws expected to win which is never good with such a soft side

Im not the best judge of gameplan as i have never coached but is our gameplan a bit basic with no 2nd or 3rd options.

Just seems like team's take 1 quarter to work out what were doing and then punish us or is just fitness?

McDonald is a ripper and will be better then all our first round picks.

Well done mate hold your head high.

Well said.

Although, I have no idea why Jaded liked this post - it being a meaningless positive and all...

Sure we lost by almost 10 goals... but i dont feel as gutted as normal,

I think some young players really stood up like Bail, Blease, Tom Mcd, Mckenzie . its a shame we are still carrying alot of dead weight, Sellar, Bennell, Dunn. I think once this guys get weeded out and replaced by decent players. we will have a good side..

On a different note... did anyone else notice at the final siren all the MFC boys tried to look devastated.. i thought it was quiet funny

Bennell and sellar are complete hacks... How they are getting a game is beyond me.

Bennell is totally lost on re ground and has no accountability and sellar... What on earth is this guy good for???

Please send them right to Casey...

Sellar must go as he is the biggest waste of a draft pick.

We should of just used the draft pick on a witches hat.

we played some great footy at times and we showed a lot of heart and character. I think Neeld is getting somewhere. Wiser heads realise that the last quarter created a margin that was not reflective of the contest, as we could well have been in front at 3QT if not for the usual blunders gifting goals and some poor misses at goal. Taking Green out, our average games played today was 52. GC and GWS averaged 41 and 40. If they took it up to the Blues for 3 quarters everyone would be blowing smoke up them. It is easy to forget we are still a very young side and that's the main reason our concentration and fitness got us chopped up in the last. It is hard to cop that Sylvia, Morton, Davey, Jurrah and Moloney are giving so little, when they should be amongst our best, and if they were we would be winning games like that. Individually I was pretty pleased with youngsters Blease, McDonald, Bail and Grimes which is heartening. Trengove showed a bit for a bit.

Oh and people bagging Watts today are fools. 34 touches last week and a fairly decent crack today. Get off his back.

I think this is pretty right. We were fortunate that they had a few outs but I thought it was an acceptable effort til 3/4 time. I thought our skills were better than in the fast but the fadeaway in the third qtr must be a fitness issue.

The best endurance runners during the pre-season were Tommy Mc, Dan Nicholson, Matty Bates & Nate Jones and, interestingly, of the three in that group that played today, they all seemed to play out the four quarters. In past pre-seasons, Moloney has often been highlighted as the 'best' trainer but this year was found wanting - not the only one by any stretch of the imagination. Given that the bulk of our players (including the rehabbed like Mckenzie, Tapscott, Bail, etc) weren't match-fit, the mistakes they make as they become more tired are much more understandable. What soetimes looks like lack of effort or intensity might just be that they are buggered.

This will improve over time. No excuses for lack of effort early on but as the game progresses, it becomes more understandable. I still cannot understand why Jamar isn't doing more and I don't think Moloney is smart enough to work out how to get out of the hole he's dug himself. Dunn also confuses me because I can't remember him contesting one overhead mark! Do you think he's following instructions and, if so, why?

Maybe concentration and skills will come with elite fitness, the good teams have it WE lack all 3, Maldonboy. And yes it it damm frustrating

I don't accept it is fitness. I went to 9 - 10 pre-season training sessions and saw them struggling early on, but after the Christmas break they seemed to be coping OK with it all. And if a player gets really tired, go back and kick long near the boundary. ll playerw are tired in the last quarter - the sub system sees to that. It seems that we execute poorly under no pressure.

C'mon guys,we're not ready to win games yet,quarters yes-games NO!

We were in the game at 3QT and that's a huge improvement after the 100 point smashing we've just come off and most other games this year.

At least we used the whole ground today,not just the boundary that Neeld started with.

We have found another player in Blease,love his run & carry,other finds this year are Mitch Clark,Tommy Mac,James Magner.

We are on the right track but to expect wins now is just ludicrous!

I really hope Beamer goes at the end of the year,keep exploring your Free Agent options.

After the week we've had in the media,today was a step in the right direction,maybe,just maybe David King,Robbo and Caroline Wilson will shut their huge mouths for a minute.

I don't accept it is fitness. I went to 9 - 10 pre-season training sessions and saw them struggling early on, but after the Christmas break they seemed to be coping OK with it all. And if a player gets really tired, go back and kick long near the boundary. ll playerw are tired in the last quarter - the sub system sees to that. It seems that we execute poorly under no pressure.

The poor disposal in the last quarter is 100% because of fitness.

What sub should we have used in the last quarter mate? And don't forget it's still 22 players, the sub is not an extra player.

McDonald is a ripper and will be better then all our first round picks.

Well done mate hold your head high.

Yeah, I think McDonald will definitely make it

I would however like him to up his urgency. To often he looks like he's coasting. Would like to see more mongrel, but I'm sure it will come as his confidence grows

C'mon guys,we're not ready to win games yet,quarters yes-games NO!

We were in the game at 3QT and that's a huge improvement after the 100 point smashing we've just come off and most other games this year.

At least we used the whole ground today,not just the boundary that Neeld started with.

We have found another player in Blease,love his run & carry,other finds this year are Mitch Clark,Tommy Mac,James Magner.

We are on the right track but to expect wins now is just ludicrous!

I really hope Beamer goes at the end of the year,keep exploring your Free Agent options.

After the week we've had in the media,today was a step in the right direction,maybe,just maybe David King,Robbo and Caroline Wilson will shut their huge mouths for a minute.

Expecting a win wasn't ludicrous 8 times last year.

All the media will talk about is the massive fade out in the last quarter against a side that was in pretty woeful form.

C'mon guys,we're not ready to win games yet,quarters yes-games NO!

We were in the game at 3QT and that's a huge improvement after the 100 point smashing we've just come off and most other games this year.

At least we used the whole ground today,not just the boundary that Neeld started with.

We have found another player in Blease,love his run & carry,other finds this year are Mitch Clark,Tommy Mac,James Magner.

We are on the right track but to expect wins now is just ludicrous!

I really hope Beamer goes at the end of the year,keep exploring your Free Agent options.

After the week we've had in the media,today was a step in the right direction,maybe,just maybe David King,Robbo and Caroline Wilson will shut their huge mouths for a minute.

Sorry Jack7 it's never ludicrous, no matter how bad we are.