Viney and the Scully Picks

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Quick question.

If we get Pick 5 in the draft along with our two Scully picks which Pick do we have to use on Viney.

This assume's that another club nominate's to use their first round Pick on him.

My hope is that we can use the worst of the 3 picks

[olisik 4,060]

cant use compo picks for Viney

I am constantly seeing this question time and time again on this forum over many different threads

[The Chazz 4,077]

Isn't there a certain rule though, something like if any team that finishes above us, if they declare that they would pick him up with their first round pick, we have to use our next pick directly after that? But if it's a team that finishes below us that state they would pick him up, we have to use our very first pick after theirs?

For example, if GWS finish 18th, and end up with Pick 1, and they say that they would take Viney with that pick, for us to get him, we have to declare that we will use our pick closest to the GWS selection. So if we finish 16th, then we have to use our Pick 3 on him.

Or

If Geelong finished on top, meaning their first pick would be pick 18, if they are the only Club that bid for him, it would mean we have to take him with our first pick after Pick 18 (which would be 21 - not counting compo picks in these examples).

Is that right or am I wrong with the "teams finishing above us" rule?

[rpfc 28,084]

Isn't there a certain rule though, something like if any team that finishes above us, if they declare that they would pick him up with their first round pick, we have to use our next pick directly after that? But if it's a team that finishes below us that state they would pick him up, we have to use our very first pick after theirs?

For example, if GWS finish 18th, and end up with Pick 1, and they say that they would take Viney with that pick, for us to get him, we have to declare that we will use our pick closest to the GWS selection. So if we finish 16th, then we have to use our Pick 3 on him.

Or

If Geelong finished on top, meaning their first pick would be pick 18, if they are the only Club that bid for him, it would mean we have to take him with our first pick after Pick 18 (which would be 21 - not counting compo picks in these examples).

Is that right or am I wrong with the "teams finishing above us" rule?

You're right but it is moot.

If GWS is the only team below us, they will still make us use the highest pick we can.

Melbourne would do the same thing, as we should.

You don't give your competitors a leg up.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

You're right but it is moot.

If GWS is the only team below us, they will still make us use the highest pick we can.

Unless we do a deal.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

This whole father son thing can be a bit of a disadvantage now. Viney looks the goods, but lets just say he was only rated a top 15 pick- and we had pick 3. We would be forced to use pick 3 on him because other clubs would know our intentions on drafting him and force our hand. As it is we will have to use our first rounder on him- which will probably be pick 2 or 3 at this stage, and that is probably where he would have gone anyway.

So where is the advantage of this father/son rule? Apart from being guaranteed a particular player?

[The Chazz 4,077]

You're right but it is moot.

If GWS is the only team below us, they will still make us use the highest pick we can.

Melbourne would do the same thing, as we should.

You don't give your competitors a leg up.

Really RP? I can understand that if Vine is rated a Top 3 prospect, butif he were to slip in predictions to be a pick 5, and we had 3rd pick, and GWS declared that they would pick him with their number 1 pick if we didn't take him with our 3rd pick, they have to honour that, meaning we would get the potential number 1 or 2 pick, depending on what way the Gold Coast went.

Wow, I hope that makes sense - I know what I was trying to say!

[The Chazz 4,077]

This whole father son thing can be a bit of a disadvantage now. Viney looks the goods, but lets just say he was only rated a top 15 pick- and we had pick 3. We would be forced to use pick 3 on him because other clubs would know our intentions on drafting him and force our hand. As it is we will have to use our first rounder on him- which will probably be pick 2 or 3 at this stage, and that is probably where he would have gone anyway.

So where is the advantage of this father/son rule? Apart from being guaranteed a particular player?

I may be wrrong sloonie, but it's only the teams with picks below us that can disadvantage us. At the moment, there doesn't appear to be too many below us!

[daisycutter 29,447]

Isn't there a certain rule though, something like if any team that finishes above us, if they declare that they would pick him up with their first round pick, we have to use our next pick directly after that? But if it's a team that finishes below us that state they would pick him up, we have to use our very first pick after theirs?

For example, if GWS finish 18th, and end up with Pick 1, and they say that they would take Viney with that pick, for us to get him, we have to declare that we will use our pick closest to the GWS selection. So if we finish 16th, then we have to use our Pick 3 on him.

Or

If Geelong finished on top, meaning their first pick would be pick 18, if they are the only Club that bid for him, it would mean we have to take him with our first pick after Pick 18 (which would be 21 - not counting compo picks in these examples).

Is that right or am I wrong with the "teams finishing above us" rule?

same rule for all positions - first (non-comp) pick AFTER their bid (NOT closest)

bidding is before normal draft period and bidding starts with lowest ladder team and works upwards

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

No, you're right, but my point is that unless finishing last, a team will always have to use their first pick on their father son which makes the whole advantage of having one kind of redundant.

[Guest Dr Who]

You're right but it is moot.

If GWS is the only team below us, they will still make us use the highest pick we can.

Melbourne would do the same thing, as we should.

You don't give your competitors a leg up.

Unless your competitors one day might become your "allies" - football truly is a funny game.

[The Chazz 4,077]

same rule for all positions - first (non-comp) pick AFTER their bid (NOT closest)

bidding is before normal draft period and bidding starts with lowest ladder team and works upwards

Ah, that's the English definition I was looking for DC, cheers!

No, you're right, but my point is that unless finishing last, a team will always have to use their first pick on their father son which makes the whole advantage of having one kind of redundant.

But at the end of the day, if we finish on top, and we have a F/S that is a potential number 1 pick, I think it works perfectly.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Lol, if we finish top.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Lol, if we finish top.

It will happen...one day. When it does, I hope SoJV (son of Jack Viney) is progressing well and is being spoken about by Emma Quayle's daughter as that year's numbher 1 pick!

[Viney12 196]

This whole father son thing can be a bit of a disadvantage now. Viney looks the goods, but lets just say he was only rated a top 15 pick- and we had pick 3. We would be forced to use pick 3 on him because other clubs would know our intentions on drafting him and force our hand. As it is we will have to use our first rounder on him- which will probably be pick 2 or 3 at this stage, and that is probably where he would have gone anyway.

So where is the advantage of this father/son rule? Apart from being guaranteed a particular player?

The reality is, if he's rated a pick 15, and we finished 3rd last with pick 3 (GWS and GC below us) there is NO WAY they would bid on Viney (if he was rated at 15) and force us to use Pick 3, not a chance in hell

Look at Sydney and Carlton this year, both got a father and son with relatively late picks

[olisik 4,060]

If GWS finish below us and choose to take Viney, then we will just tkae Lachie Whitfield instead and trump there as$es

[olisik 4,060]

If GWS finish below us and choose to take Viney, then we will just tkae Lachie Whitfield instead and trump there as$es

Then get Viney 2 years later coz he ll hate is so much there.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

This issue has been rolling around in my head alot lately, well mainly after watching us in the first 2 rounds and realising we will have around pick 4 which is what Viney is rated at......

Anyway, what happens if like all years someone like Lachie Whitfield who is an absolute J-E-T slides down a few picks.... or is in our pick mix, we are still locked into taking Viney when atm Whitfield is a clear number one and Viney is just a top 5 prospect.

Will we end up disadvantaging ourselves?

[daisycutter 29,447]

If GWS finish below us and choose to take Viney, then we will just tkae Lachie Whitfield instead and trump there as$es

you are forgetting we signed a 5 year agreement with him a year and a half ago

[Jordie_tackles 354]

If GWS finish below us and choose to take Viney, then we will just tkae Lachie Whitfield instead and trump there as$es

Beat me to it Olisik, this would be a very hard decision for the MFC to make imo..... we wont finish 2nd last but pick 3 is still a huge pick to assign to a father son unless you are sure he is that good, and our recruiting manager is his father and club legend haha

We locked Viney jnr in when we thought natural progression would put us in a position where even if we were forced to us our first pick it would still be pick 6-10 on him not 3-4......which is maybe to much?

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

you are forgetting we signed a 5 year agreement with him a year and a half ago

Why did we do that? We basically just told everyone who finishes below us that we are obliged to pick him, so you guys might as well force us to use our first pick, as you will be guaranteed it wont backfire on you.

Is there a loophole in this agreement? Does the agreement state that we have to pick him up in the 2012 draft? As daft as that sounds..

[The Chazz 4,077]

This issue has been rolling around in my head alot lately, well mainly after watching us in the first 2 rounds and realising we will have around pick 4 which is what Viney is rated at......

Anyway, what happens if like all years someone like Lachie Whitfield who is an absolute J-E-T slides down a few picks.... or is in our pick mix, we are still locked into taking Viney when atm Whitfield is a clear number one and Viney is just a top 5 prospect.

Will we end up disadvantaging ourselves?

Only if the teams under us believe Viney is worth their first pick. If they don't, and therefore don't make a bid, we could get Whitfield and Viney.

Perhaps we should have a word in young Jack's ear, somehow force GWS to take him with their number 1 pick, we pick up Whitfield or whoever is the 2nd best in the draft (assuming we finish 3rd last!), then in 2 years we will get Viney back. In that time, Jack complains about a suspect knee injury, and manages to play a handful of games. How's that grab ya Sheedy?!

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Only if the teams under us believe Viney is worth their first pick. If they don't, and therefore don't make a bid, we could get Whitfield and Viney.

Perhaps we should have a word in young Jack's ear, somehow force GWS to take him with their number 1 pick, we pick up Whitfield or whoever is the 2nd best in the draft (assuming we finish 3rd last!), then in 2 years we will get Viney back. In that time, Jack complains about a suspect knee injury, and manages to play a handful of games. How's that grab ya Sheedy?!

Or just tell him to curb his amazing skills haha

ala WC and Darling........

[old55 23,064]

cant use compo picks for Viney

I am constantly seeing this question time and time again on this forum over many different threads

I'd like to see a real reference for this and not just hearsay ...

[The Chazz 4,077]

Or just tell him to curb his amazing skills haha

ala WC and Darling........

And get him in a few pretend fights out the front of nightclubs, pi$$ all over bars and get someone to call McGuire's radio show and complain about what a filthy animal this kid is!