EnergyWatch Sponsorship Cancelled

[rpfc 27,692]

Our track record with sponsors in recent years:

• Hankook: Club supporters who approached the club in a time of need, reportedly left the club on bad terms.
  
• Kaspersky: Club supporter gets company he works for to sponsor the club in a time of need, reportedly left the club on bad terms.
  
• EnergyWatch: Record sponsorship deal announced on August 26, on August 27 the ABC reports EnergyWatch being investigated by the ACCC for "deceptive conduct". Racist Facebook rants lead to dunping of EnergyWatch and further investigations show poor past business operations in the past by Polis.
  

EDIT: Typo.

Yeah, it's not great reading...

Although I am not going to hang Schwab for Hankook as De La Rue had other concerns and lost Hankook IIRC. He also got a bargain for $700k...

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Think it was these (and this thread generally)

http://demonland.com...539#entry476539

http://demonland.com...693#entry476693

RobbieF was all over this one like a fat kid on cake.

[Tricky 340]

RobbieF was all over this one like a fat kid on cake.

Absolutely - Kudos to RobbieF

[rpfc 27,692]

Think it was these (and this thread generally)

http://demonland.com...539#entry476539

http://demonland.com...693#entry476693

It's like reading a train wreck that thread!

And I'm in it...

My hopes were wrong in that last post...

Let's hope we can still eke some more money out...

[Guest Jackie]

Cameron Schwab must resign immediately.

I don't care what other sporting organizations did. We should be better than them. I hate that excuse.

We're supposedly now all about elite performance. This should apply to the top brass as much as it should apply to coaches and players.

We did the right thing bringing in an outsider in Neeld to radically change the culture of the place. Same must now go for head office.

Cameron ... if you love the club as much as you portray yourself to ... do the honorable thing and tender your resignation.

Quoting CS from 15/3/12 on this forum.

"We have explained the strategic importance of the sponsorship 'property' and we will do a deal when the deal is right and by strategic we mean long term and having a significance beyond the revenue itself. "

and

"We will not compromise the value by agreeing to a sub optimal long term deal because of external or perceived time pressures."

In light of the EW scandal this hogwash from him makes me wonder what kind of person he is. The mind boggles at the potential deals he may have rejected if they existed in the first place. I wonder now who has the more "integrity". Him or Vlad?

Edited April 11, 2012 by Jackie

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Exactly.

The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

We don't know what happened, but if what she said was in fact correct then the club as a whole is finished; do you really believe that's how it all went down.

I don't know if CS should resign or not, only the Board know who is responsible for this mess and they may think that he is doing a good job in spite of the way this has been handled, that's even if it was his doing.

As I said in another post, I believe there is a sponsorship coordinator so it may be that has failed to check all the facts and not CS.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Quoting CS from 15/3/12 on this forum.

"We have explained the strategic importance of the sponsorship 'property' and we will do a deal when the deal is right and by strategic we mean long term and having a significance beyond the revenue itself. "

and

"We will not compromise the value by agreeing to a sub optimal long term deal because of external or perceived time pressures."

In light of the EW scandal this hogwash from him makes me wonder what kind of person he is. The mind boggles at the potential deals he may have rejected if they existed in the first place. I wonder now who has the more "integrity". Him or Vlad?

The bit I found frustrating about CS' post was the strong focus on long-term deals, and not compromising our value.

I can understand this stance, and I do agree with it, however, our value is only worth what someone will pay. What is it currently worth now that EW have gone? They were the only one that offered $2m a year, which let's face it, from all reports a lot of that was pretend money. So do we now have to re-value what we are realistically worth? I honestly think we do, and have been saying so since B59 started talking about the FoJ sponsorship.

And while I'm all for long-term deals, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a short-term deal when required, and I think it's time to activate that now. We've had over 8 months to secure a lucrative long-termer, I just can't see how CS will click his fingers and come up with one now, especially after the month we've had.

[mauriesy 6,920]

As I said in another post, I believe there is a sponsorship coordinator so it may be that has failed to check all the facts and not CS.

The club obviously needs to emply someone with a Masters in Hindsight, not a Masters in Business Administration.

[daisycutter 28,728]

Think it was these (and this thread generally)

http://demonland.com...539#entry476539

http://demonland.com...693#entry476693

some of the best and largest companies in Australia have had issue with ASIC at times (both proven and eventually dropped).

this in itself (and i stress in itself) proves nothing and anyway ASIC has not made any findings of guilt/innocence yet re EW

not defending EW at all or their past track record but trying to put ASIC into context

[Guest José Mourinho]

I honestly can't believe how many posters here presume to understand more about this process than CS.

[Guest Jackie]

I honestly can't believe how many posters here presume to understand more about this process than CS.

We may not understand the process but we are very good witnesses to the outcome.

[daisycutter 28,728]

I honestly can't believe how many posters here presume to understand more about this process than CS.

don't get your knickers in a knot then Hose

its a forum

go and start a blog somewhere and preach to yourself and your aliases

[Guest José Mourinho]

We may not understand the process but we are very good witnesses to the outcome.

But are you?

[mauriesy 6,920]

Melbourne Football Club

Melbourne Victory

Melbourne Rebels

Melbourne Vixens

Bendigo Gold

AGL

Red Energy

TruEnergy

Momentum Energy

3AW

The Age

Did they all fail in their due diligence on Energy Watch, or was it just Cam Schwab?

[Guest Jackie]

But are you?

. I can't see any FOJ or BOJ logos on our players. That is the outcome, anyone can understand that.

[Face Your Demons 175]

And still the T V stations play the adds, while their news shows mock us for taking them onboard.

Edited April 11, 2012 by Face Your Demons

[Guest José Mourinho]

. I can't see any FOJ or BOJ logos on our players. That is the outcome, anyone can understand that.

Are you sure?

Should you really be judging the outcome yet?

Do you have enough insight to make an informed judgment?

I contend that we all have an insufficient grasp of the situation to make that judgment.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Melbourne Football Club

Melbourne Victory

Melbourne Rebels

Melbourne Vixens

Bendigo Gold

AGL

Red Energy

TruEnergy

Momentum Energy

3AW

The Age

Did they all fail in their due diligence on Energy Watch, or was it just Cam Schwab?

I'm not sure it's as simple as that Maurie. Now, before I start, I may be incorrect about a few of these things, and will happily change my mind where I am incorrect...

Melbourne Rebels - new kids in their league, and to be honest, quite an amateur club, trying to compete in a sport that is not a strength in Victoria. Dollars to them are valuable regardless of where they come from.

Melbourne Vixens - at the end of the day it's a netball sponsorship. If the going rate is $200k for a major sponosr, and someone walked in and offered them $400k, in a sport that struggles with funding at all levels, I'm sure they would've jumped in boots and all.

Bendigo Gold - in the 2nd tier Aussie Rules comp, where clubs, especially country clubs like Bendigo and North Ballarat, find it hard to secure big paying sponosrs.

AGL/Red Energy/Tru/Momentum - I don't really see the point in using these guys in the arguement. If I owned an Energy Company, and had a broker come to me and say "I will promote your products, and get you "x" amount of customers a month, and all you need to do is give me $150 for each one that signs up", I couldn't care less what the financial background of said company is like. I only have to pay them when I've signed a new customer up, so it's a no-brainer for me. The only time I'd step in is if the company that I use (ie EW) are known to be working on behalf of my company, and they do something stupid.

3AW and The Age - Media sponsorships are a fair bit different to any of the above. You want to advertise your company, you need to use either print media or radio/tv. Big names such as #AW and The Age will have those spots snapped up well and truly by now, such is the demand to advertise with them.

Melbourne Victory, like the Melbourne Football Club, I would've thought would have done appropriate background checks. Both should be professional enough to ensure this won't happen again in the future, however, money talks, and sometimes when your fighting hard to hold on to your job, you sometimes take little shortcuts that often bite you on the arse.

[biggestred 4,436]

how do you figure the rebels are "quite an amateur club"?

[Guest José Mourinho]

Making a lot of excuses for all the other parties involved, but none for MFC...

[The Chazz 4,077]

how do you figure the rebels are "quite an amateur club"?

Dunno Benno. I guess the easiest way for me to explain myself would be that I feel they are amateur compared to the likes of the Reds, who from an adminstration level are a level under the Crusaders, etc. Kind of like comparing GWS to Us (maybe a bad example) and Collingwood.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Making a lot of excuses for all the other parties involved, but none for MFC...

You talking to me Jose?

[Guest José Mourinho]

You talking to me Jose?

haha sounds like a line from a movie

yes!

[The Chazz 4,077]

haha sounds like a line from a movie

yes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzPBUGUM7KQ

The only excuse I could come up with from our club's point of view is the fact that CS originally valued our brand at something between $1m-$1.5m a year, then EW came in, at a time when his days were numbered, and offered an amount far greater than what he was hoping for. Other than that, I got nuffin!

[mauriesy 6,920]

AGL/Red Energy/Tru/Momentum - I don't really see the point in using these guys in the arguement. If I owned an Energy Company, and had a broker come to me and say "I will promote your products, and get you "x" amount of customers a month, and all you need to do is give me $150 for each one that signs up", I couldn't care less what the financial background of said company is like.

Hmmm... let's change that to:

"Melbourne Football Club - I don't really see the point in using these guys in the argument. If I ran a football club, and had a company come to me and say "You promote my products and I'll give you $500,000 every three months, and all you need to do is give me advertising on your jumper, publications and website", I couldn't care less what the financial background of said company is like."

Why does a different set of principles and ethics apply to MFC as opposed to the others?

Edited April 11, 2012 by maurie