Maric won't want to be retained even if we want him I think, presuming he's still got interest from another club - North in particular. So he's 1, we just need one more. I think if we are keeping Bate we may as well keep Joel Macdonald, he's a strong body and if you fix his kicking he can play AFL. For mine that rules it down to Fitzpatrick and Wona, and I'd be happy to delist and rookie either of them.

Big Jake Spencer would have to be close to being delisted.....

Spencer

Maric

Aussie to be re-rookied, if it can be done? without losing him to others...

As he was only upgraded to the senior list before this season we presume he's contracted for 2012. Sorry! Big Jake gets the chance to get healthy and show us what he can do, regardless of he deserves it or not. Dunn, Bate, Bartram, Spencer and more all in trouble at the end of 2012, what can they pull out of the hat?

I would be annoyed if we refused to move Bate on for pick 39, then moved Wonna on so we can draft with pick 54.

What's the status of Spencer's contract? Surely he's OOC? He must be on the chopping block too, right? I mean, we've got Jamar, Martin and Gawn, with Clark as well. Not entirely sure if Spencer is worth too much to us anymore. And I see far more value on Wonna than in Spencer.

Dunn's contracted I'm guessing, otherwise he should go.

I heard on SEN1116 that Melbourne were adamant they wanted a first rounder for Bate. I would have thought pick 39 was paying overs by the dogs.

Bazza took Tom McDonald at 53 last year in a similarly compromised draft - I'll take 2 more as good as him at 52 and 54 thanks!

Me too.

If Melbourne had it in mind to delist Maric, then surely an exchange of late picks could have got him to North Melbourne during the trade period.

I think Maric’s fortunes will come down to the availability of Wonaemirri.

Big Jake Spencer would have to be close to being delisted.....

Spencer

Maric

Aussie to be re-rookied, if it can be done? without losing him to others...

I think Spencer is contracted for 2012, not certain but I thought we gave him 2 years at the end of 2010.

Edited October 17, 201113 yr by old dee

Big Jake Spencer would have to be close to being delisted.....

Spencer

Maric

Aussie to be re-rookied, if it can be done? without losing him to others...

I doubt there is a club that would be interested in Wona.

The guy has played 24 games in 4 years of which a bare half dozen would be considered good.

Add his constant injuries and I think it is a miracle that he is still in with a chance.

Please do not tell me he is more value than Mcdonald, Dunn, Bate or Fitzpatrick.

He is very seldom on the park.

If you are not on the park you are no use.

Maric is 100% gone.

Wonna 75% but would be rookied.

Joel MacDonald would be 50/50 but with Warnock going our depth down back has thinned making his case to stay on stronger.

Spencer 100% would be gone if not for the fact he is under contract. He won't play another game for the club.

Comes down to who out of Macca and Wonna is more valuable to the club. If 2011 is anything to go buy it is not the latter.

As for the rookie list, the broom could come out. There is zero need for Robbie Campbell with Clark in town, and Tom McNamara has shown he is not up to it. Juice has run out of Juice (chances). So there is 3 spots without even taking into consideration that Cameron Johnston may have only received a one year deal. Nicho and Evans will both be retained and are unlucky we were not more active during the trade period as either could have seen themselves elevated had Bate, Maric and more draft picks been traded on to other clubs.

I doubt there is a club that would be interested in Wona.

The guy has played 24 games in 4 years of which a bare half dozen would be considered good.

Add his constant injuries and I think it is a miracle that he is still in with a chance.

Please do not tell me he is more value than Mcdonald, Dunn, Bate or Fitzpatrick.

He is very seldom on the park.

If you are not on the park you are no use.

tough but fair assesment olddee

As bad as it sounds, i think Wona will be kept on as a rookie, if only to provide stability for Liam Jurrah

Dunn and Juice must have some incriminating photos of someone pretty high up, becasue neither of them would be retainined on any other AFL list

Juice is like that bird from Fatal Attraction. Just when you think he's dead he leaps out from behind you and starts trying to ruin your life again.

If wona is delisted, it would do irreparable harm to the fabric of the playing group and supporters. For heavens sake, both his parents died recently, he is a good footballer, a good bloke and he needs a chance to put it all together. I wish I could meet the people that Think we should delist him. I would love to buckle their knees, cripple them a fraction. Heartless barstards!

I do not understand why Dun's name keeps coming up in these discussions!

One of the few big bodies we have that regularly kicks goals from outside 50m and is willing to get up the nose of the opposition. His report was a moment of craziness this year, but there are a few head of him - there is no way that Newton could be retained again!

Juice is like that bird from Fatal Attraction. Just when you think he's dead he leaps out from behind you and starts trying to ruin your life again.

That's harsh..........................but I had to laugh!

I do not understand why Dun's name keeps coming up in these discussions!

One of the few big bodies we have that regularly kicks goals from outside 50m and is willing to get up the nose of the opposition. His report was a moment of craziness this year, but there are a few head of him - there is no way that Newton could be retained again!

Dunns name comes up because he is not very good. He has played a few good games, but he has been around for a long time.

He can kick long goals, but that is about it.

He gets up other teams noses because he is annoying, not for any other reason.

If he was not contracted I would delist himquite easily. There are many ahead of him. Clarke, Watts, Jurrah, Howe, Petterd, McDonald to name a few.

If he was not contracted I would delist himquite easily. There are many ahead of him. Clarke, Watts, Jurrah, Howe, Petterd, McDonald to name a few.

Maybe, but it'll only take a couple of injuries to shorten that list. We need 30 good, solid players to be serious contenders, and if Dunn is number 29, so be it. Think we should see what happens under the new coaching team, and he can be moved on when his contract runs out in 12 months if surplus to requirements.

Like a few others ... could be a big year in 2012, in more ways than one. Even Green only has a one year contract.

If wona is delisted, it would do irreparable harm to the fabric of the playing group and supporters. For heavens sake, both his parents died recently, he is a good footballer, a good bloke and he needs a chance to put it all together. I wish I could meet the people that Think we should delist him. I would love to buckle their knees, cripple them a fraction. Heartless barstards!

Before you come at me with a Kathy Bates-in-Misery-style rampage, this is not the ruthless thinking that a successful club needs. This is more like the malarkey that led to the Cockatoo-Collins twins ending up on the list. We aren't a charity, and we couldn't have been more supportive of Wonna over the past year. Putting him on the rookie list is not the end of the world.

Maric would also be a certainty to get the chop, so with those two done we can settle on picks 36, 52 and 54. No need to promote any other rookies.

I'll be very surprised if Joel MacDonald is still on the list in 2012.

Wonaeamirri is both a possible high-quality player, and positionally required. I'd be astonished to see him cut for the sake of pick 72.

Maric doesn't want to be there and isn't required, so not a hard one to anticipate.

So... Warnock, Scully and Maric out. Still need one more and I've said 'keep' to Wona...

Guess it is just as well I don't really rate Joel MacDonald.

HOWEVER

As I understand it, as part of the adjusted drafts for GC and GWS all clubs are permitted to hold onto players a little more - we may count a rookie upgrade to the senior list as one of our three compulsory draft selections.

Daniel Nicholson, come on down.

Time to start the draft fantasising about pick 36 and 52. (consults shallow little wish list compiled from various reading just to keep a vague awareness of the draft up...)

We'd be lucky with Brody Mihocek. Solid build... a taller more versatile Joel MacDonald type?

Aseri Raikiwasa for a highly mobile 'third tall' type. Another solidly built kid, too.

Joshua Waldhunter. A buddy for Jordie McKenzie. Crazy man.

Sam Dwyer. Port Melbourne's little gun. Worth a try as a crumber with occasional midfield session?

Anthony Tipungwuti. Looks like Wonaeamirri, reports have me thinking he's more like the Jetta family.

I may have to delete Dwyer from my wish list as his name just isn't fun to say. Bit short on syllables, poor guy.

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Spencer 100% would be gone if not for the fact he is under contract. He won't play another game for the club.

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I agree that Spencer has slipped a long way in the pecking order with the progress of Martin and Gawn in 2011 and the recruitment of Clark. However, had he not done his ACL, he would have been the front-runner to replace Jamar when he was injured mid-season. Them's the breaks in footy I guess, and with our present ruck stocks, it indeed seems unlikely that he will play senior football for the Dees again. None-the-less we have invested a lot of time and effort into his development, and this was starting to show before he was injured. If he can get his knee right by the middle of next year, and play some decent footy for Casey in the second half of 2012, I reckon he's likely to have some trade value come this time next year.