The Tom Scully Saga © continues ...

[nutbean 8,838]

Such succinrt clarity and considered acknowledgement is painfully lost on the many. So may , not just here , live in a world of if, what ifs and maybe's that they often cloud their ability to see reality for want of rosey dreaming.

I would however say he IS a middle of the road footballer. Id be grabbing those two picks tightly.

As in the Jack Watts thread, it never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to mark the ticket of 20 year old footballers so early. 2nd season footballer with no preseason and carrying a knee - and you are ready to declare him a middle of the road footballer ?

[Guest Gareth Keenan]

As in the Jack Watts thread, it never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to mark the ticket of 20 year old footballers so early. 2nd season footballer with no preseason and carrying a knee - and you are ready to declare him a middle of the road footballer ?

What fascinates me, is that it's the same posters, year after year, repeating the same mistakes and never learning...

[nutbean 8,838]

Gysberts has played very well in the centre square and he is Scullys size.

A little research would make you reconsider this post.

[drdrake 3,141]

Tom will be a very good footballer and hopefully it will be with us. He tried hard last night but like most of our team couldn't find the handle on the footy. Two weeks to go one more home game then a couple of weeks speculation.

[beelzebub 23,254]

Anderson does not set the compensation for players leaving - an equation does that, and then a panel (that he does not sit on) ensures no anomalous outcomes.

The rest I was purely interested in how your opinion may have changed.

(Not posting does not preclude one from reading this forum. So no, I don't even recall a Charlie Brown.)

Um..is that the same cement ..or stone that was used prior to Ablett departing ?? you know.. where suddenly it all got changed !! And Geelong got more than was originally supposed.

To suggest Anderson is apart from such deliberations is to be wearing blinkers.

Hannabal is much more likely to be right in that we'll get two picks.

[H_T 3,042]

Gysberts has played very well in the centre square and he is Scullys size.

Gysberts 190cm; 85Kg

Scully 182cm;77Kg

[Guest Gareth Keenan]

Gysberts 190cm; 85Kg

Scully 182cm;77Kg

Almost identical!

[hardtack 10,441]

Almost identical!

Yeah, just like me and my identical twin brother who is three years older than me :-)

[nutbean 8,838]

Yeah, just like me and my identical twin brother who is three years older than me :-)

and is your sister

[hardtack 10,441]

and is your sister

Have you been spying on me?

[Guest Thomo]

A little research would make you reconsider this post.

Gysberts 190cm; 85Kg

Scully 182cm;77Kg

Almost identical!

To Clarify - my post was in response to Old55 writing "Scully is not playing in the centre square - presumably because he needs to put on some body size before he can compete in there". I don't think old55 was saying that Scully needs to grow taller, he was talking about the size of his build, which is similar to Gysberts.

Edited August 22, 2011 by Thomo

[old55 23,078]

To Clarify - my post was in response to Old55 writing "Scully is not playing in the centre square - presumably because he needs to put on some body size before he can compete in there". I don't think old55 was saying that Scully needs to grow taller, he was talking about the size of his build, which is similar to Gysberts.

They may have a similar BMI but Gysberts is bigger in any way you measure it and the extra 7kgs make him more able to currently hold his own in the midfield.

I expect Scully to play at ~82kg and those 5kg will make a big difference. I expect Gysberts may ultimately play at Joel Corey size who is 191 x 89

[nutbean 8,838]

They may have a similar BMI but Gysberts is bigger in any way you measure it and the extra 7kgs make him more able to currently hold his own in the midfield.

I expect Scully to play at ~82kg and those 5kg will make a big difference. I expect Gysberts may ultimately play at Joel Corey size who is 191 x 89

Look at the difference the extra kilo's on Marc Murphy that have turned into muscle have done for his game. I read he has only put on 4 kilo in the last two years - but what a difference it makes.

[old55 23,078]

Look at the difference the extra kilo's on Marc Murphy that have turned into muscle have done for his game. I read he has only put on 4 kilo in the last two years - but what a difference it makes.

Good example, Murphy was 179 x 75 when drafted and is now listed at 180 x 80 - those 5kg make a big difference.

This reminds me of lame-brain Walls assertion that Scully would never be elite in the midfield because of his size but earlier in the article when he listed 1st picks who are elite he (correctly) included Murphy.

The only thing that worries me about Scully is his knee - he is going to rely on his pace and endurance to be elite and this may be compromised. I admit Cooney's knee has spooked me.

Edited August 22, 2011 by old55

[beelzebub 23,254]

As in the Jack Watts thread, it never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to mark the ticket of 20 year old footballers so early. 2nd season footballer with no preseason and carrying a knee - and you are ready to declare him a middle of the road footballer ?

I certainly think he'll be not as good as everyone..well , many here suppose he will be. Many seem only too happy to overlook his well, be incorrect to say shortcomings, but to overlook his , averageness ( sic) in many departments. So much is hype..so much is . "but he will become" .All the while he 'll be becoming this on someones watch whilst theyre paying well over the odds for such ability.

I was always of the mind the talenbt and abiltiy of Watts would come to the fore..and it is. There was more to see in the first place. Scully has lightning hands..( often to no one) and a big tank...( on dodgy knees) His kicking is quite frankly average on a good day.

My view is he's unlikely to become the player many suppose and that we as a club would garner better value by allowing him to move and take the picks.

[nutbean 8,838]

I certainly think he'll be not as good as everyone..well , many here suppose he will be. Many seem only too happy to overlook his well, be incorrect to say shortcomings, but to overlook his , averageness ( sic) in many departments. So much is hype..so much is . "but he will become" .All the while he 'll be becoming this on someones watch whilst theyre paying well over the odds for such ability.

I was always of the mind the talenbt and abiltiy of Watts would come to the fore..and it is. There was more to see in the first place. Scully has lightning hands..( often to no one) and a big tank...( on dodgy knees) His kicking is quite frankly average on a good day.

My view is he's unlikely to become the player many suppose and that we as a club would garner better value by allowing him to move and take the picks.

I have a different view - it is not that he will or wont be great. It is my steadfast refusal to make pronouncements on 20 year olds as these assessments more than often come back and bite you on the bum. Goddard certainly did and in the reverse, we were singing the praises of Morton in his first year and his development has stalled. The twin pillars of our resurrection - Miller at CHF and Rivers at CHB - how did that turn out ? Whilst you were seeing something in Watts many were writing him off. Call me a coward but crystal balling on sub 23 year olds is exactly that - crystal balling ( and no one truly believes in fortune tellers and crystal balls)

[Guest Thomo]

They may have a similar BMI but Gysberts is bigger in any way you measure it and the extra 7kgs make him more able to currently hold his own in the midfield.

I expect Scully to play at ~82kg and those 5kg will make a big difference. I expect Gysberts may ultimately play at Joel Corey size who is 191 x 89

Jack Watts at 88 kilos weighed 11 kilos more than Scully, but he got pushed off the ball just as easily. Gary Ablett weighs the same as Gysberts, but their strength around the ball is totally different. It's not about the total weight, it's the power and strength, and I think that Scully and Gysberts look similar in that regard, their physical maturity looks to be at about the same stage, and they have spent about the same amount of time in the gym.

[Guest Thomo]

I have a different view - it is not that he will or wont be great. It is my steadfast refusal to make pronouncements on 20 year olds as these assessments more than often come back and bite you on the bum. Goddard certainly did and in the reverse, we were singing the praises of Morton in his first year and his development has stalled. The twin pillars of our resurrection - Miller at CHF and Rivers at CHB - how did that turn out ? Whilst you were seeing something in Watts many were writing him off. Call me a coward but crystal balling on sub 23 year olds is exactly that - crystal balling ( and no one truly believes in fortune tellers and crystal balls)

I agree with your point about making pronouncements on 20 year olds, ( and this is not directed at you because you are always balanced)but I find on this forum any critical analysis of Scully is shouted down. Scully seems to be the only player in the team that criticism can not be made. I'm not sure why there can't be debate on his ability like every other player in the league.

At this stage, he has elite endurance and good speed. He finds a lot of the ball, so he must be a good reader of the play. Scullys disposal by foot and hand is poor (quick hands are not great hands if they miss targets), is not strong over head and does not kick enough goals. He is also short in comparison to most modern footballers, and has a serious knee problem.

Hopefully he stays and his disposal and injuries improve. But he is far from guaranteed to be great.

[daisycutter 29,463]

To Clarify - my post was in response to Old55 writing "Scully is not playing in the centre square - presumably because he needs to put on some body size before he can compete in there". I don't think old55 was saying that Scully needs to grow taller, he was talking about the size of his build, which is similar to Gysberts.

Fail, and no more repercharges

[nutbean 8,838]

I agree with your point about making pronouncements on 20 year olds, ( and this is not directed at you because you are always balanced)but I find on this forum any critical analysis of Scully is shouted down. Scully seems to be the only player in the team that criticism can not be made. I'm not sure why there can't be debate on his ability like every other player in the league.

At this stage, he has elite endurance and good speed. He finds a lot of the ball, so he must be a good reader of the play. Scullys disposal by foot and hand is poor (quick hands are not great hands if they miss targets), is not strong over head and does not kick enough goals. He is also short in comparison to most modern footballers, and has a serious knee problem.

Hopefully he stays and his disposal and injuries improve. But he is far from guaranteed to be great.

That's fair and reasonable (except for the short part - I dont see his height as a hinderance at all).

[beelzebub 23,254]

I have a different view - it is not that he will or wont be great. It is my steadfast refusal to make pronouncements on 20 year olds as these assessments more than often come back and bite you on the bum. Goddard certainly did and in the reverse, we were singing the praises of Morton in his first year and his development has stalled. The twin pillars of our resurrection - Miller at CHF and Rivers at CHB - how did that turn out ? Whilst you were seeing something in Watts many were writing him off. Call me a coward but crystal balling on sub 23 year olds is exactly that - crystal balling ( and no one truly believes in fortune tellers and crystal balls)

Whilst seated at your Ball.. see what the mysts reveal about his knees . His promounced and unargued forte is his engine. How is this going to go with repeated problems to his knees. Is there any dispiute that as a player in such limited time he has spend an untoward amount of it indisposed because of knee injuries or possibly more accurate repeated revisits to AN injury.

How are the mysts ?

[Pennant St Dee 12,811]

Whilst seated at your Ball.. see what the mysts reveal about his knees . His promounced and unargued forte is his engine. How is this going to go with repeated problems to his knees. Is there any dispiute that as a player in such limited time he has spend an untoward amount of it indisposed because of knee injuries or possibly more accurate repeated revisits to AN injury.

How are the mysts ?

To compare with the two other cases of this knee problem

Adam Cooney - great when he is up and running is not fanatical about going to the endth degree to look after his body and make sure he gets on to the park every week

Andrew Mcleod - had a similar degenerative problem with his knees for many years and took the neccassary steps to make sure he could be the best he could.

I see Scully being similar to Mcleod to the way he looks after his body

[beelzebub 23,254]

To compare with the two other cases of this knee problem

Adam Cooney - great when he is up and running is not fanatical about going to the endth degree to look after his body and make sure he gets on to the park every week

Andrew Mcleod - had a similar degenerative problem with his knees for many years and took the neccassary steps to make sure he could be the best he could.

I see Scully being similar to Mcleod to the way he looks after his body

Im not particualrly familia with Macleods ailment sother than a foot problem and knee surgery much later in his career. What problems did he have with knnes from the outset ? Doesnt seem to have stopped him playing quite that much...especially in his easrly days. This is very much the case with Tom.

p.s AM could kick

[Pennant St Dee 12,811]

Im not particualrly familia with Macleods ailment sother than a foot problem and knee surgery much later in his career. What problems did he have with knnes from the outset ? Doesnt seem to have stopped him playing quite that much...especially in his easrly days. This is very much the case with Tom.

p.s AM could kick

I a discussion with a group of people and Ben Allan who also suffered Chronic knee problems was also involved and it was during the discussion the professionalism of Mcleod looking after his body and knees to get on the park came up.

Also did a quick google and found this

http://m.afl.com.au/news.htm?action=handleNewsArticleById&id=119303&listRetrievedBy=COMPETITION&listId=1

Edited August 22, 2011 by Pennant St Dee

[Guest Thomo]

That's fair and reasonable (except for the short part - I dont see his height as a hinderance at all).

Not a hindrance, but not a strength that will help him. If we were discussing Gysberts, Pendlebury or Barlow, a strength that would come up is their height, that's why I mentioned it.