18 hours ago, old dee said:

I went off cycling a few years ago when the were the biggest drug takers in sport Ernest.

I have not been able to take it seriously since.

Has some similarities to the Victorian justice system or perhaps that should be the Unjust system.

I can understand your sentiments OD. Many feel the same way particularly after Lance.

However, for me, cycling is still a beautiful sport. 

The drug taking thing is a turnoff for many, but for me, it is simply a matter of degree. 

Professionalism and money in cycling came before many other sports. Cyclists for over 100 years have always tried to gain a competitive advantage by fair or foul means. In the early part of last century, Tour riders would take all sorts of things to keep themselves awake and give them energy. In the 60s, they turned to amphetamine use and then later to anabolic steroids, EPO, testosterone, and growth hormone. 

However, the use of illicit substances has been part of all professional sport for years. Perhaps not in the same systemic way as in cycling but nevertheless still present. At the same time, we can point to other sports, such as the football codes where drug taking has been rife for many years and where there have been attempts to use performance enhancing substances in an organised systemic way.  

What I do know is that of all the sports, cycling federations at the world and local level have done more to curb drug taking than any other sport. What's been done by other sports is window dressing and only masks over the true reality of what has happened and is continuing to happen.  

In any event, my original comments were not about this issue but simply acknowledging the passing of a truly great sports commentator in Paul Sherwen. Whatever, your view about professional cycling, Sherwen was a giant in the commentary field. He shared his knowledge, insights and enthusiasm with sports lovers around the world, and, together with Phil Liggett, has been influential in the uptake of cycling as a recreational sport and as a popular viewing sport.  

On 12/3/2018 at 6:27 PM, Moonshadow said:

Deals on Wheels?

I know meals on wheels.

39 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I know meals on wheels.

Next step is the gastric tube.

Count your blessings you whining Old C.

Apologies Redleg,

Thought you were OD .

Same probably applies to many though.

India to rip us a new one in the test series IMO 

Thank God that perrenial underperformer Mitch Marsh got the chop although with Hanscombs extravagent back foot defence LBW is a given.

 

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

India to rip us a new one in the test series IMO 

Thank God that perrenial underperformer Mitch Marsh got the chop although with Hanscombs extravagent back foot defence LBW is a given.

 

After the lead up to sandpaper gate and the event itself I have lost interest in the Aust Cricket team.

Arrogant bunch of overpaid sports people who would not know the real world if it bit them on the [censored].

More than Happy for India to win the series. For different reasons but they have fallen into the "cycling " twilight zone for me.

On 12/5/2018 at 5:18 AM, Biffen said:

Apologies Redleg,

Thought you were OD .

Same probably applies to many though.

And you have a nice day too!

34 minutes ago, old dee said:

After the lead up to sandpaper gate and the event itself I have lost interest in the Aust Cricket team.

Arrogant bunch of overpaid sports people who would not know the real world if it bit them on the [censored].

More than Happy for India to win the series. For different reasons but they have fallen into the "cycling " twilight zone for me.

any enjoyment left OD ?

other sports?

2 minutes ago, hemingway said:

any enjoyment left OD ?

other sports?

Not many Ernest, many are tarred with the same brush.

Still enjoy NBA and NFL but I know  they are not paragons of virtue.

My problem with big time sport Ernest is there is too much money involved which leads to Performance drug taking and the participants losing track of the real world.

I used to go to NBL games but they deleted my team and as a result I cannot find the same interest.

Over things take up the space in my life.

14 minutes ago, old dee said:

Not many Ernest, many are tarred with the same brush.

Still enjoy NBA and NFL but I know  they are not paragons of virtue.

My problem with big time sport Ernest is there is too much money involved which leads to Performance drug taking and the participants losing track of the real world.

I used to go to NBL games but they deleted my team and as a result I cannot find the same interest.

Over things take up the space in my life.

There are a lot in your camp, including young people.

Professional sport has changed the whole landscape of sport and viewing sport, so that we view everything now through a veil of cynicism and skepticism.  

Sadly, superior performance is now viewed against our doubts of doping. Whether it be a team or an individual.

Since the beginning of time, cheating has been part of life therefore also part of sport. But the big money and the big interests in sport have taken cheating to a whole new level to the point where we are no longer surprised, and, indeed, expect it. 

I guess you either like it or lump it.

I like it but swallow with the odd lump.

At the end of the day, I still enjoy the beauty of the sport tarnished as it may be.  

 

 

Has anyone done this?

5 hours ago, The Third Eye said:

Has anyone done this?

After almost 7½ years, it appears that the mystery of the numerous intersecting issues raised in the No T$ No B$ Thread are finally being unraveled. 

I heard about the bananas in the fridge trick a little while ago so I tried it and in the end, my bananas didn’t turn black but rather, a deep brown color with the inside turning yellow.

Now which AFL player who we can’t name in this thread will, if he gets over his injuries, be wearing a guernsey in those brown and yellow colours this year?

The penny is dropping at last.

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

After almost 7½ years, it appears that the mystery of the numerous intersecting issues raised in the No T$ No B$ Thread are finally being unraveled. 

I heard about the bananas in the fridge trick a little while ago so I tried it and in the end, my bananas didn’t turn black but rather, a deep brown color with the inside turning yellow.

Now which AFL player who we can’t name in this thread will, if he gets over his injuries, be wearing a guernsey in those brown and yellow colours this year?

The penny is dropping at last.

but said and un-named player never did get to his beloved yellow and black club

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Edited December 9, 20187 yr by Redleg

48 minutes ago, Redleg said:

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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/best-22-of-afl-players-who-grew-up-barracking-for-richmond/news-story/88bed0c8f3aca0e0d606842697ac3f30

RICHMOND FANS BEST 22

B: Taylor Hunt, Kristian Jaksch, Jarman Impey

HB: Bob Murphy, Lachie Hansen, Luke Hodge

CEN: ? HWFUA, Dom Tyson, Matt White 

HF: Liam Sumner, Jimmy Bartel, Billy Hartung

F: Kayne Turner, Matthew Richardson, Ben Ainsworth

Ruck: Matthew Lobbe, Nat Fyfe, Marcus Bontempelli

Inter: Jono O’Rourke, Sam Weideman, Shane Crawford, Kane Johnson

Emg: Joel Bowden, Patrick Bowden, Wayne Harmes, Tim Watson

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

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I must be drunk ( well actually I am). I fully agree with your post Red.

11 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I must be drunk ( well actually I am). I fully agree with your post Red.

Me too.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

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That a questionable post, Red

18 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

That a questionable post, Red

I am nothing if not controversial.

BTW, boys I bought some wine yesterday for $5, $4 & $3 a bottle total $12. I am sheepish to admit it was Moscato by 3 different wineries.  Do you think I overpaid?

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am nothing if not controversial.

BTW, boys I bought some wine yesterday for $5, $4 & $3 a bottle total $12. I am sheepish to admit it was Moscato by 3 different wineries.  Do you think I overpaid?

Sounds like some family or friends are going to be the beneficiaries of your generosity.

54 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am nothing if not controversial.

BTW, boys I bought some wine yesterday for $5, $4 & $3 a bottle total $12. I am sheepish to admit it was Moscato by 3 different wineries.  Do you think I overpaid?

BBO would have his maid clean the manor's 8 bathroom with that type of vinegar, Red

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Sounds like some family or friends are going to be the beneficiaries of your generosity.

Even I wouldn't give such cheap drinks as presents. No, they are for sampling by Redleg and the Mrs.

51 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

BBO would have his maid clean the manor's 8 bathroom with that type of vinegar, Red

Surely too good to clean the bathrooms with. Maybe you meant after the maid has had a few drinks, she might be that happy, that she would offer to clean his 8 bathrooms.

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

Even I wouldn't give such cheap drinks as presents. No, they are for sampling by Redleg and the Mrs.

Now Red, a good education and degree, perhaps a dubious occupation (although I will give you the benefit of doubt due to all your pro bono work), I thought you had some class. You do not sample $3-$5 bottles. Poor old Mrs R.

Despite his proclivities Uncle at least drinks some good stuff. And he lives in Romsey. 

To most of us plonk is just plonk at whatever price !