Draft or trade

[dee-luded 2,958]

Because I wouldn't trade Morton unless the deal was too good to be true. He's become the new whipping boy around here quite unfairly.

My, you like your Boys 'Soft', Rrrrojic!!!

[demon bazza 14]

My, you like your Boys 'Soft', Rrrrojic!!!

I can remember that we have had a few whipping boys over the last months namely Watts, Pettard, Jones,Maric, Bennell, Jurrah and now Morton is the latest and the list goes on, one has to remember that these young fellows have only played a handful of games (Jones the exception here) and are going to have their good games and bad but give them their 60 to 80 games and then lets knock them when they get to that level of games, guys like Bates to my opinion are now in the firing line but for hells sake leave the younger guys alone and let them develop, they are not going to be a Judd or Ablett in their early games of their career and certainly NOT every week.Yes they will play their good games and if Jack Watts has a bad game next week against Richmond is he going to be the new whipping boy (again)

[Red and Blue Flame 142]

Let's be honest. It's the spine that you can build a side around, plus ruckmen. We have Jamar and Martin. We have Frawley (a full back) and maybe Garland/Rivers as CHB's. we need to trade for a readymade big foward/draft a VFL mature age player to play that CHF or FF role. Jurrah isn't a FF or CHF, and neither is Watts. Green won't be in our premiership side. Fitzpatrick? hasn't played a game yet. Cook neither.

[Steamin Demon 370]

Because I wouldn't trade Morton unless the deal was too good to be true. He's become the new whipping boy around here quite unfairly.

Really?? I just fiinished watching the replay and could count on one hand how many good things he done. Turnovers, Well I'd better take off my socks. Morton is trade bait of the highest order.

[dee-luded 2,958]

I can remember that we have had a few whipping boys over the last months namely Watts, Pettard, Jones,Maric, Bennell, Jurrah and now Morton is the latest and the list goes on, one has to remember that these young fellows have only played a handful of games (Jones the exception here) and are going to have their good games and bad but give them their 60 to 80 games and then lets knock them when they get to that level of games, guys like Bates to my opinion are now in the firing line but for hells sake leave the younger guys alone and let them develop, they are not going to be a Judd or Ablett in their early games of their career and certainly NOT every week.Yes they will play their good games and if Jack Watts has a bad game next week against Richmond is he going to be the new whipping boy (again)

Your right, we do have our whipping boys, as most clubs supporters do. But I also think your wrong about some.

I think to become a 'whipping boy', the player has to have done something BAD, or it's what they won't do. IMO it's RESPECT.

Some have lost the respect because they won't do some things that supporters expect as Non Negotiable. Like tackling and chasing with intent, and all the other 1%'s.

If your referring to Morton, he was dropped recently for not doing these types of things and not going for the 'contested ball'.

I'm one who is hard on this trait of soft players not going. And I've watched Morton, for example since he came over. My first impressions after his first season were one's of concern that we'd picked wrong, because he showed no interest in putting on defesive pressure or tackling or winning his own ball. He's changed 'Little'. I've watched him over the last month, do one or two things, contested mark and a tackle or something, but Few & far between.

Bennell, I have more hope for but not when we accept his not using his body, or mind to Harden Up. It worries me that we aren't more demanding of the defensive game equally on all our players.

I'm concerned we're spoiling them. Like so many players in the past who haven't turned out well from our development school.

Edited June 22, 2011 by dee-luded

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Am i the only one who thinks that Dangerfield is over rated??? averages 14 possessions over his career and something like 15-16 this season..... can go but really does not get enough of it... needs 10 more possessions a game for me, and he would cost a hell of alot to get

[bush demon 1,909]

It seems bizarre that demonlanders are speculating with their swap cards on this thread whilst keeping a minute by minute vigil on Tom Scully on an adjacent thread.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

We're a couple of years away from that. I reckon you trade, or pick players up from the scrapheap (Stuey Dew) when you have a number of veteran players who are on their last 2-3 years of having a chance to win a grand final. Our top-age players (25+) are only Green, Sylvia, Jamar, Moloney... and a couple of those could have 4 years left.

[old55 21,588]

BY the Way, I'd throw everything @ trying to get Dangerfield here.

Sure you would - our first rounder and Jack Trengove?

[old55 21,588]

I wouldn't take either of Kelly or Goddard because their cost would be greater than their impact, in my opinion.

You disappoint me - I thought we could have some fun.

I'm St.Kilda - our flag window is passed. I'll trade Brendan Goddard to you.

Two options:

1. Any player on your list

OR

2. Your first rounder (say pick 16) + any player outside your top 3 (as protected by you)

I'm Geelong - our flag window has passed too (appearances can be deceiving). I'll trade James Kelly to you.

For your first rounder (say about pick 16) + any player outside your top 10 (as protected by you)

[Guest Artie Bucco]

NO & NO.

The cost is too high for what they could bring to the club.

If I were to bring a player of that ilk and in that age bracket to the club, for that sort of cost, I'd want them to bring leadership and be able to positively influence the culture of the playing group.

Neither of these players are good leaders imho.

[Tatu 416]

A mate of mine that i played cricket with Matty Atta, is absolutly dominating at the Northern Knights this year. Another that is doing well at the Knights is Nick Maric (Adam's brother?).

They could be good late picks, in this years draft... I'd be thrilled to see Matty running around in the Red & Blue.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

Nick Maric is Adam's brother, and he makes it look like we chose the wrong one.

[titan_uranus 22,731]

Nick Maric is Adam's brother, and he makes it look like we chose the wrong one.

Doesn't mean we can't take Nick too.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Nick Maric is Adam's brother, and he makes it look like we chose the wrong one.

He looks exactly the same as his brother imo, will go top 30 (i think Sheehan has raps on him), sounds like the Maric we drafted.... great kick etc

[dee-luded 2,958]

Sure you would - our first rounder and Jack Trengove?

Oh funny man.

If Dangerfield wants to come home, someone is going to get him, and I'd rather have him play for us, than against us.

[H_T 2,941]

Oh funny man.

If Dangerfield wants to come home, someone is going to get him, and I'd rather have him play for us, than against us.

So seeing as this is the Draft or Trade thread. What do you suppose you would offer in return for Dangerfield from Adelaide ?

(you said you would throw everything at them)

[Guest Artie Bucco]

He looks exactly the same as his brother imo, will go top 30 (i think Sheehan has raps on him), sounds like the Maric we drafted.... great kick etc

I think he looks exactly the same too, but he looks better than Addam right now because he is playing in a lower league.

His type of player usually takes a lot longer.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

So seeing as this is the Draft or Trade thread. What do you suppose you would offer in return for Dangerfield from Adelaide ?

(you said you would throw everything at them)

Any combination of Bate, Dunn, Newton, Warnock and a 2nd rounder.

I don't think we have a pressing need for his type, that being a speedy hard-ball winner that only gets 15 touches, can only run in straight lines and cannot find the losse ball.

He's a see-ball-get-ball type.

[GOLF 13]

Rule 1 of trading: if your target is any good you won't get him by offering our rubish.

At this stage we should not really be trying to trade to fill gaps. We don't know exactly where our gaps are. Our window opens at earliest 2013, and that's when we should be looking to trade in players.

There is only one trade we should be looking at this year: can we get one of GWS's 17yo trade cards, and use it to tie in Jack Viney? If the price is right, that would free up our first round pick in the 2012 draft. So what have we got that GWS want? And no, this is not another Scully post.

GWS will be loaded up on young talent after the draft, but will need some senior players to protect the young and provide a structure around them. They can't afford for all these to be marquee players. For a 17yo card, which they have to trade anyway, they may well accept the likes of Warnock and Bate. Reasonably competent bodies who can be moved on when the 2011 vintage of draftees are ready to rock and roll. Worth a try if anyone can stomach the thought of dealing with Sheedy.

And if you want a big gorilla forward, there is this bloke playing as Casey who may well go into the draft this year.

[Tatu 416]

Bate + our first round draft selection for Tom Hawkins from Geelong

[dee-luded 2,958]

So seeing as this is the Draft or Trade thread. What do you suppose you would offer in return for Dangerfield from Adelaide ?

(you said you would throw everything at them)

It would cost a bit. I don't know what, BUT,,, I do know this,,, It would any team,,, a lot.... so if Carlton were prepared to snare him for their midfield/forwardline, are you saying they can pay it/have him, & we'll go without?

If we're to compete for a premiership in 4 Years time, we have to make sure we stay ontop of the List heap, and not let others, 'Jump us'...

What that'll cost I don't know, but anyone can see a dynamic matchwinner with real weapons, from interstate viewing. I'd hate to se him with the Pies or the Blues/Dons.

[dee-luded 2,958]

So seeing as this is the Draft or Trade thread. What do you suppose you would offer in return for Dangerfield from Adelaide ?

(you said you would throw everything at them)

Well for a start I'd look at a Morton,,, & IF we lose a Scully, I'd want someone powerfull to refill the spot open on our list. I'd love to get Patton, or someone equal to Scully, if he goes.... IMO,, Dangerfield will be a AA list player.

IMO, our midfield is still ordinary, ATMo... & if Scully were to go, I'd want to grab someone of HIGH calibre who has 3 or 4 Years put into them. We can't keep losing A list players, for draft picks...

[Guest Artie Bucco]

In my opinion, you build a list through the draft.

Early picks used on best available, while trying to fill any gaps or pressing needs with later selections.

An eye must always be kept on the trade table, because good deals do come up.

But trade only from areas where you have a surplus of talent, or if an exceptional deal presents itself.

Such a deal includes other clubs overvaluing a player who you have begun to have misgivings over after observation at close quarters.

I believe Dangerfield falls in this category - if he is traded to Victoria, the team getting him will pay too much.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Any combination of Bate, Dunn, Newton, Warnock and a 2nd rounder.

I don't think we have a pressing need for his type, that being a speedy hard-ball winner that only gets 15 touches, can only run in straight lines and cannot find the losse ball.

He's a see-ball-get-ball type.

Do you know of any Gary Ablett jnr type clones out there AB? I'm talking draft now. Any classy movers out there?