We'll take him, whatever happens. It's not just about getting the best players, it's about getting someone who has red and blue blood, the son of an ex-captain.

It's about "culture", that word that's thrown around here increasingly often these days.

We'll take him, whatever happens. It's not just about getting the best players, it's about getting someone who has red and blue blood, the son of an ex-captain.

It's about "culture", that word that's thrown around here increasingly often these days.

I have absolutely no doubt that we will take him, it's just a matter of WHEN we will take him. I hope we are able to let him drop to our 2nd round pick, but I think it's unlikely. Either way, we'll have the equivalent to 3 first rounders which puts us in a good position to build a strong young midfield.

We'll take him, whatever happens. It's not just about getting the best players, it's about getting someone who has red and blue blood, the son of an ex-captain.

What a load of bollocks. It's all about getting the best player.

The fact that someone's old man played in the jumper is a bonus.

If we are forced to use pick 3 and he is only worth pick 10-16, we don't take him...it's as simple as that.

But if he is worth 3-5, then pay what he is worth.

Aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves here? For starters who knows where we will finish? Seems to me that when this bloke has a lack of material, he simply makes some up.

There are and will be numerous scenarios to consider and that will be played out over the draft table.

For instance if we finish 3rd last, we'll have a few on our list who it will be time to move on, who would have some currency to the fledgling sides and a whole range of deals could come into play. Not only with GWS but the likes of GGS and others. In adidition let's also not forget that we also need to bring free agency into the total picture.

One way of viewing it might be that young Viney, who seems to be more than handy from all reports, would simply be a straight replacement for someone else who did SFA for us and we still have two compensation picks. To me that would be the worst case scenario. Some worst case scenario!

On the other hand, if we were to bring into the mix, some trades of reasonably talented, yet inconsistent players on our list who could be of value to other ( maybe younger clubs) many different scenarios could arise.

I think we will have a good hand at draft time with a nice hedge as a starting point.

If Viney is not worth a pick 3 and GWS/GC bid pick 1 or 2 let them take him. Then he can come back home after his first two years contract is up.

If the club does take him with pick 3 and he is only rated top10-20 then I think I would absolutely lose it. The club needs to be smart and ruthless about this and can't afford to stuff up another draft.

How about we/Melbourne play dirty and smart for a change and use the system to our advantage? It's been rumoured for years that West Coast/Fremantle hide players in lower competitions or tell them to underperform and get them as a bargain (rumoured to be the case with Jack Darling and Nate Fyfe). We have a perfect opportunity here with Jack Viney... guarantee that we will draft him (he already has this in contract, plus his dad is our head of recruitment) and tell him to shut up shop NOW for the rest of season 2012.

HE KNOWS he is getting picked by us, and WE KNOW he is pick 5-10 draft quality... why don't we just tell him to underperform for the next 6mths, and just let him slip out of first round calculations? That way no club will want to risk picking him first round, and he can slide down to our second or third pick.

Behind closed doors at AAMI Park he can still train with an AFL club, and accelerate his development... but all the outside world will see is a kid who has dropped off in his final season of Under 18s. Jack Fitzpatrick was rated top-10 in his first year of Under 18s, and we saw how far he dropped with a poor final Under 18s season.

Jack Viney is one of those rare father-son situations where WE hold all the aces (despite what the media would like to report)... we can effectively manipulate the draft by telling him to hold back, and letting him slide to a pick that we want to take him at (without the fear that another club can swoop in and take him at pick #20 if we have pick #21). If any other club wants to risk a first round pick... then it is their risk because we can simply say 'Nah, we don't want him... he is yours'. I really don't care if this is seen as cheating the system... this is a business and we should use EVERY possible avenue to gain an advantage over the opposition. I want premierships, not the respect of the wider football community!

Lots of conjecture here that's for sure.

Let me tell you this.

The club has worked with Jack for 2 years.

They know what they are getting.

They firmly believe he is a number 1 pick in any year.

Pundits and press will propose they know where he is rated.

This is unique in that the club knows more than anyone on this given he is not an unknown.

He will be picked with the clubs first pick. Simple as that.

He will play round 1 next yr for the Dees.

The only way the club will get him second round is if they finish last or do a deal that lands them all available picks above them in round 1 of the draft.

Thinking about the situation i cant see GWS risking so much that will barely gain them anything

It would make absolutely no sense to do this and it is just media beat-up. Not sure why this story is not including anything about GC possibly doing the same, or either GWS or GC forcing Essendon to use there first pick on Daniher either.

The only possible gain that GWS could get outa this is that there will be 1 extra player left in the pool come there 2nd round pick.

Not worth losing a first pick in a draft on

Slow news day

I'd be up for calling Sheedy's bluff.

It's the week after the Grand Final. Discussion turning to Viney. Someone sticks a mic in front of Neeld. We have pick 3.

Neeld says 'if GWS are prepared to give up Whitfield or Vlastuin, I'd happily take them off their hands for pick 3."

Watch the media go bananas.

If, JV, wanted to,,, he'd could do a lot worse than starting off in the tough surrounds in the West of Sydney, under Sheeds, for 2 years... the contract (ours), well, may be an Issue.

If, JV, wanted to,,, he'd could do a lot worse than starting off in the tough surrounds in the West of Sydney, under Sheeds, for 2 years... the contract (ours), well, may be an Issue.

What if JV simply refused to play for GWS? what options can occur then? Like what Luke Ball did to the MFC

Would JV end up in the rookie draft? or just have to miss a year of AFL experience?

What if JV simply refused to play for GWS? what options can occur then? Like what Luke Ball did to the MFC

Would JV end up in the rookie draft? or just have to miss a year of AFL experience?

Well, I can see how the GWS stitched us up re skunk, & lied all of 18 months to loved ones & all, about in this place...

If they want to play hard ball & take JV ahead of more highly rated kids in this coming draft, designed to stitch us Up yet again,,, then maybe JV could go there & then come home later. Leaving us with posibly a Whitfield or someone?

# Edit: Getting back would be very difficult, so It wouldn't happen, but we need to be sure that the bidding for Jack, is an Honest appraisal from the likes of GWS...

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Nah, Stevens just spends a lot of time trawling supporter sites like demonland and playing on people's insecurities

He didn't say anything that hasn't been said here so why are we discussing his story?

Surprise, surprise, Mark Stevens stealing articles from threads on demonland and bigfooty again.

What a poor excuse for a journalist.

Lots of conjecture here that's for sure.

Let me tell you this.

The club has worked with Jack for 2 years.

They know what they are getting.

They firmly believe he is a number 1 pick in any year.

Pundits and press will propose they know where he is rated.

This is unique in that the club knows more than anyone on this given he is not an unknown.

He will be picked with the clubs first pick. Simple as that.

He will play round 1 next yr for the Dees.

The only way the club will get him second round is if they finish last or do a deal that lands them all available picks above them in round 1 of the draft.

So, are you telling us they know just as much of say Whitfield, as they do of Viney ?

Because if they "firmly believe he is the no.1 of any year" they'll need to know as much of other candidates as they do of JV.

Jack will play some games in the first half of the season but watch for the dreaded OP to set in during the second half of the season. Some rumours of drinking and womanising (whilst still underage) could also surface.

I am super confident that if we finish 16-18, we will get him in the second round. The bottom 3 teams will also be given a comp pick by the AFL after the first round.

Lots of conjecture here that's for sure.

Let me tell you this.

The club has worked with Jack for 2 years.

They know what they are getting.

They firmly believe he is a number 1 pick in any year.

Pundits and press will propose they know where he is rated.

This is unique in that the club knows more than anyone on this given he is not an unknown.

He will be picked with the clubs first pick. Simple as that.

He will play round 1 next yr for the Dees.

The only way the club will get him second round is if they finish last or do a deal that lands them all available picks above them in round 1 of the draft.

Where the hell do you get this from??

Jack will play some games in the first half of the season but watch for the dreaded OP to set in during the second half of the season. Some rumours of drinking and womanising (whilst still underage) could also surface.

I am super confident that if we finish 16-18, we will get him in the second round. The bottom 3 teams will also be given a comp pick by the AFL after the first round.

He's already dealing with OP, if you read back a few months ago on these boards.

Jack will play some games in the first half of the season but watch for the dreaded OP to set in during the second half of the season. Some rumours of drinking and womanising (whilst still underage) could also surface.

I am super confident that if we finish 16-18, we will get him in the second round. The bottom 3 teams will also be given a comp pick by the AFL after the first round.

Hmmn, the Wheels R Turning?

I hope your Right GNF.

Where the hell do you get this from??

Not as good as previous number ones at this stage, or Whitfield for that matter.

Someone smarter than me suggested we could arrange trade deals (to be executed in the trade period that follows the F/S) that are favourable to GWS and GC on the basis that they don't nominate Jack.

Win-win!

Someone smarter than me suggested we could arrange trade deals (to be executed in the trade period that follows the F/S) that are favourable to GWS and GC on the basis that they don't nominate Jack.

Win-win!

maybe. but we would be negotiating from a position of weakness i fear

Someone smarter than me suggested we could arrange trade deals (to be executed in the trade period that follows the F/S) that are favourable to GWS and GC on the basis that they don't nominate Jack.

Win-win!

Negotiation will be "You do not choose Viney and we will not choose Whitfield"

As if we can't manufacture a way to worry GWS or GC out of it. Say we start talking about contract details that state we are under no obligation to pick Viney (even if they are fanciful) or start talking up the kids tipped to go 1 and 2.

I am going to be mighty [censored] if we end up with pick 3 and have to use it on Viney when we could have used pick 20something. When are we going to get smart/ruthless? Why don't we get an advantage of F/S when a good one comes our way? I know the rules changed but Geelong picked up Ablett with a pick in the 30s. Well what about us? Where is our free ride?!