... and then there were four ...

[beelzebub 23,370]

How can you consider Grimes???? The captain has to at least have a 100 games under his belt surely???

I would say the issue isnt so much the number of games...but the consistency of taking to the field.

theres been some young and able cpatains of teams over the years. Ideally you pickem by theire relevance and apppropriateness to teh job..not some abitrary number of games.

Joel Mac has moer than 100 ..Hi Ho has more.... Bate's only 10 short !! yep all ridiculous examples..and still it shows its not the criteria to go by...imho.

Leaders are Leaders... you can tell who they are as they just naturally lead..and strangely enough others follow.. Put the wrong bloke in the job and it can all come to a grinding halt..... hang on....we did that !!

[McQueen 17,864]

People on here are still calling for Frank Grimes to be captain in 2012. How? and why?

He hasn't done anything yet.

This is where it gets fuzzy. Grimes won the RBJ leadership award this year after playing only six games.

Go figure.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Why do you reward Green with captaincy? He has shown us already it is not for him.

I know I commented on Jones in the other post WYL, but I just think that given the stage where we are at as a Club, where we are at in terms of individual players nad their stage of development, that Green will be a better leader in 2012. It's not about reward, it's about redemption. He claims that the captaincy had nothing to do with his bad form this year, and the fact that he is on a 1 year contract and would be hoping to get an extra year will mean he has to pull his finger out.

It will also give us another 12 months for the likes of Jones, Trengove, maybe even Moloney, to develop their leadership skills, and for Neeld to "groom" his next long term Captain.

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

This is where it gets fuzzy. Grimes won the RBJ leadership award this year after playing only six games.

Go figure.

i take no notice of it. It just proves how out of touch the MFC have become. Joel Selwood deserves captaincy. Frank Grimes does not. In future he may, but let us see some BOG's in September first.

[beelzebub 23,370]

This is where it gets fuzzy. Grimes won the RBJ leadership award this year after playing only six games.

Go figure.

Here again..hes obviously the likely lad leader type.. but has this annoying habit of not playing which ever so slightly dents the rationale doesnt it.!!

Grimes is the conundrum of this ilk... leader. I would think HIS priority is to be fit and play a consistent game. Others may well be better or more realistic choice.

[rpfc 28,417]

Has to get his body right and then play some good games in a row for mine

I was talking in the abstract as your '100 games' threshold will not allow Trengove to be considered, and would have not allowed Carey to be Captain of North.

Games played is a celebrated misnomer and a red herring of true leadership.

[rpfc 28,417]

This is where it gets fuzzy. Grimes won the RBJ leadership award this year after playing only six games.

Go figure.

I know I commented on Jones in the other post WYL, but I just think that given the stage where we are at as a Club, where we are at in terms of individual players nad their stage of development, that Green will be a better leader in 2012. It's not about reward, it's about redemption. He claims that the captaincy had nothing to do with his bad form this year, and the fact that he is on a 1 year contract and would be hoping to get an extra year will mean he has to pull his finger out.

It will also give us another 12 months for the likes of Jones, Trengove, maybe even Moloney, to develop their leadership skills, and for Neeld to "groom" his next long term Captain.

i take no notice of it. It just proves how out of touch the MFC have become. Joel Selwood deserves captaincy. Frank Grimes does not. In future he may, but let us see some BOG's in September first.

Maybe it is a sign of a true leader?

Green was omitted from the leadership group at the beginning of the season a few years back because he was injured and not involved - the players never saw him.

Jack Grimes wins leadership awards when he is injured.

It doesn't mean he has to be captain, but it does point to the fact that some are more comfortable with being a leader than others.

Edited November 24, 2011 by rpfc

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

Maybe it is a sign of a true leader?

Green was omitted from the leadership group at the beginning of the season a few years back because he was injured and not involved - the players never saw him.

Jack Grimes wins leadership awards when he is injured.

It doesn't mean he has to be captain, but it does point to the fact that some are more comfortable with being a leader than others.

Yes, but the bottom line is that Frank Grimes is paid to play footy. You and i could also be great leaders off the field. But it doesn't win cups.

[McQueen 17,864]

Maybe it is a sign of a true leader?

Green was omitted from the leadership group at the beginning of the season a few years back because he was injured and not involved - the players never saw him.

Jack Grimes wins leadership awards when he is injured.

It doesn't mean he has to be captain, but it does point to the fact that some are more comfortable with being a leader than others.

This is true, but the argument most posters have is that it is the 'on-field' leadership that the team is badly lacking.

I rate Jack Grimes and hope he will make a great VC to Trengove.

[Bossdog 2,002]

This is true, but the argument most posters have is that it is the 'on-field' leadership that the team is badly lacking.

I rate Jack Grimes and hope he will make a great VC to Trengove.

I rate Grimes but I don't think the time is right to make him captain, let him concentrate on his fitness and build a solid base before burdening him with the captaincy

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

I rate Grimes but I don't think the time is right to make him captain, let him concentrate on his fitness and build a solid base before burdening him with the captaincy

But on what criteria can you rate Jack Grimes so far? This is the bit that stumps me. You want him to be good is closer to reality so far.

[Bossdog 2,002]

But on what criteria can you rate Jack Grimes so far? This is the bit that stumps me. You want him to be good is closer to reality so far.

So why would you make him captain??

[DeeZee 7,393]

Still think Grimes is the man.

Has Captaincy written all over him.

Good talker, goes 100% everytime,very serious about football.

Sure has had a few injury concerns, but has been part of the group for 4 years now , and is older than Trengove.

Just personal opinon, but he is my choice.

Bring on the good times!

Edited November 24, 2011 by DeeZee

[The Chazz 4,077]

Still think Grimes is the man.

Has Captaincy written all over him.

Good talker, goes 100% everytime,very serious about football.

Sure has had a few injury concerns, but has been part of the group for 4 years now , and is older than Trengove.

Just personal opinon, but he is my choice.

Bring on the good times!

From the outside looking in, you would think the favourite to be the next MFC Captain would be Grimes or Trengove, but the $million question is about timing. I personally think Trengove is 20 games short of captaincy material (I await B59's disapproval), but I also think Grimes is 1 full season short too.

So then the next question is what will Neeld see from the inside that he likes? Jones would have to be in the top couple in terms of training and leadership, especially around the younger players. He has around 100 games under his belt, and on match day isn't affraid to put in. BUT, in the ideal world, which I don't think is far away, when Grimes and/or Trengove are total stand-outs for the job, would we bother letting Chunk keep the title warm for 12 months, until JG/JT take it? What will that do to culture? I'm not sure - just asking!

With the wholesale changes that have happened over the past 4 months, and given Green is still quite capable, and has already insisted that he wants the job again, which will mean he will work his ass off over this preseason, I just can't see it being given to anyone other than Greeny. It makes logical sense for that to happen.

I understand most on here that don't agree, but I think most theories on here that don't invovle Green being Captain are about 12 months before they're ready.

Edited November 24, 2011 by billy2803

[daisycutter 29,614]

From the outside looking in, you would think the favourite to be the next MFC Captain would be Grimes or Trengove, but the $million question is about timing. I personally think Trengove is 20 games short of captaincy material (I await B59's disapproval), but I also think Grimes is 1 full season short too.

So then the next question is what will Neeld see from the inside that he likes? Jones would have to be in the top couple in terms of training and leadership, especially around the younger players. He has around 100 games under his belt, and on match day isn't affraid to put in. BUT, in the ideal world, which I don't think is far away, when Grimes and/or Trengove are total stand-outs for the job, would we bother letting Chunk keep the title warm for 12 months, until JG/JT take it? What will that do to culture? I'm not sure - just asking!

With the wholesale changes that have happened over the past 4 months, and given Green is still quite capable, and has already insisted that he wants the job again, which will mean he will work his ass off over this preseason, I just can't see it being given to anyone other than Greeny. It makes logical sense for that to happen.

I understand most on here that don't agree, but I think most theories on here that don't invovle Green being Captain are about 12 months before they're ready.

I agree with the general gist of what you are saying

I think Green being the incumbent would be favorite for keeping the chair "warm" until someone else steps up, matures a little longer and makes for a "safer" decision.

Just my 2c worth (regardless of how I rate Greeny's captaincy capabilities).

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

So why would you make him captain??

I wouldn't.

[beelzebub 23,370]

Billy..for what its worth id almost agreee..On the surface youd ( meaning most of us ) would probably prefer to see Tengove with say 50-60 games under belt. But theres games and games.. He does seem to have a very able and 'older' head on his shoulders so in that regards Ill grant him a concession. Were a bit like bookends as a club.. A handful of older ones with many games.. a handful mid career with about a 100 and then a lot of sub 50 gamers.

Id be happy enough to look to the man more than his stat sheet. This hand is sort of forced.

[beelzebub 23,370]

Actually.. just as a question for those that get to go to training ...how have any of the 'likely's" looked ?? i.e anyone seeming to be putting their hand up ??