If Nathan Jones goes...

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Do it. Would make good reading. Even just the top 10.

Yeah. Even better do a joeboy style "in three words" format. It'd be easy enough too, just search members total posts, in descending order.

Actually, you know what? Save it for December when this place gets reeeeeally quiet.

Edited September 7, 2010 by Dappa Dan

[e25 5]

Do it. Would make good reading. Even just the top 10.

Please don't.

[Demonworship 5]

For those that don't know quote, it goes something like:

Reports of my trading have been widely exaggerated.

He twittered that many years ago...

Apparently it's not happening. The one to watch out for is Cameron Bruce. My mail is Gold Coast has offered him three years plus $450,000 more than what he's getting now. Melbourne is offering two years. On the other hand, the word is that Bruce hates flying which he'd be doing all the time playing for Gold Coast. Watch this space

[e25 5]

Apparently it's not happening. The one to watch out for is Cameron Bruce. My mail is Gold Coast has offered him three years plus $450,000 more than what he's getting now. Melbourne is offering two years. On the other hand, the word is that Bruce hates flying which he'd be doing all the time playing for Gold Coast. Watch this space

Sweet.

Just made my tuesday, hearing that.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I sincerely hope the Football Department revisits Junior's 'retirement' if Bruce packs his bags ...

[dee-luded 2,959]

Do it. Would make good reading. Even just the top 10.

It would just be another speculative post by another postor.

[Red and Blue Flame 179]

Jones- 22 games- equal 13th B&F

Warnock- 17 games- 19th B&F

Bate- 18 games- 18th B&F

Need i say more- the reasons why these blokes will be fished around.

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

I sincerely hope the Football Department revisits Junior's 'retirement' if Bruce packs his bags ...

why, weve got a girth of young players chomping at the bit

Edited September 8, 2010 by Al`s DEMONS

[e25 5]

*champing

[rpfc 28,263]

why, weve got a girth of young players chomping at the bit

Macca is, until the relevant list lodgement, on the VL.

He takes the place of the 7th selected Rookie. That boy might be champing at the bit, but chances are he's crap...

[jayceebee31 759]

About as good as Meesen draft pick number in 2004.

The Footy dept read a different set of tea leaves to you.

For a player who was in the midfield and played 22 games, coming 15th in the B & F is not a high ranking by the football department.

Even Scully and Trengove have overtaken Jones. And there are others too who will do likewise next year.

Maybe so-- however a premiership team is made up of many types. Not ALL champion players. Jones may never be a champion..but..he is one that always does his best for the team..and we need types like him..a dead set goer.

[45HG 1,539]

Can the thread title at least be changed to 'Nate'? It's been bugging me since this thread popped up.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Maybe so-- however a premiership team is made up of many types. Not ALL champion players. Jones may never be a champion..but..he is one that always does his best for the team..and we need types like him..a dead set goer.

You are right. A premiership team is made up of many types. There are players who are your "stars" that are critical to your success. You build sides and plan your future on and around these players. Jones is not a star and is not a crticial keepsafe for the push to a flag. Jones' role can be filled by other players over the course of the journey to the top. BTW, I not sure there is any player that isnt doing his best for the team. If the FD find a deal for Jones elsewhere then so be it. If our talented youth develop, mature and improve the standard bar will rise and further challenge and overtake the futures of players like Jones going forward.

[Nasher 33,607]

He takes the place of the 7th selected Rookie. That boy might be champing at the bit, but chances are he's crap...

Don't forget that once Junior goes, Green is able to take his place on the VL thereby freeing up a spot on the senior list. (This has been confirmed several times but I'm far too lazy to dig any of the threads up)

[e25 5]

Don't forget that once Junior goes, Green is able to take his place on the VL thereby freeing up a spot on the senior list. (This has been confirmed several times but I'm far too lazy to dig any of the threads up)

But... The hypothetical involves Bruce going to GC, so Green would've already taken that spot on the veterans list.

No?

[45HG 1,539]

Thanks.

[Nasher 33,607]

But... The hypothetical involves Bruce going to GC, so Green would've already taken that spot on the veterans list.

No?

Sorry, I committed the forum cardinal sin. I may try reading beyond the one post I respond to next time.

[old55 23,405]

I have sympathy for the FD, they had to make a tough decision on Junior. I expect they're offering Cam Bruce a new contract - he played great footy towards the end of 2010 and he doesn't rely on pace to do it - so losing it is not a factor. He has been very durable and could easily go on for at least a couple more years. I'd be offering him 2 years at decent money since he's on the vets list (probably a pay cut since last contract was his prime) and I'd be expecting him to take it. If all goes extremely well he might even get another year and be part of a flag in 2013 a la Shane Crawford.

To free a spot on the primary list Green goes on the VL and Junior "retires". If we waited until the Cam Bruce scenario plays out before making a decision on Junior and Cam signs as expected then Junior "retires" with no farewell game or the fanfare that he deserves. If Cam Bruce does find a better offer elsewhere there is a possible way back for Junior if MFC ate a big slice of humble pie - he's still under contract on the list until after trade period.

On the Nathan Jones discussion I think everyone is missing the point. I'd be amazed if we were "shopping" Jones around for trade. He's a good player and we should be offering him a decent contract - standard 2 years at the money he's currently on. Often players get better offers elsewhere - he may want 3 years and significantly more money and he may be able to get that e.g. GC or Sydney looking to replace Brett Kirk. Then it's a standard negotiation just like it was with Brad Green and Aaron Davey over the past 2 years.

The question is how far do we go in the negotiation, is Jones as important as Green or Davey? I'd say no - if our team is going to be a flag contender then many young players will need to improve and go past Nathan Jones - I think that's what we've got to assume is going to happen - if Nathan Jones remains a core component we're not going to be challenging so in the big picture it doesn't really matter. If we give him a big long contract it compromises our position with players we expect to be better than him. So if we don't budge too far on the contract negotiations and Nathan Jones can do better elsewhere that's when and why trade talk arises - not because we WANT to get rid of him. In this circumstance a trade is in both parties best interest - otherwise he leaves for nothing with possibly no guarantee of ending up where he wants to - lose-lose.

Edited September 9, 2010 by old55

[dee-luded 2,959]

I have sympathy for the FD, they had to make a tough decision on Junior. I expect they're offering Cam Bruce a new contract - he played great footy towards the end of 2010 and he doesn't rely on pace to do it - so losing it is not a factor. He has been very durable and could easily go on for at least a couple more years. I'd be offering him 2 years at decent money since he's on the vets list (probably a pay cut since last contract was his prime) and I'd be expecting him to take it. If all goes extremely well he might even get another year and be part of a flag in 2013 a la Shane Crawford.

To free a spot on the primary list Green goes on the VL and Junior "retires". If we waited until the Cam Bruce scenario plays out before making a decision on Junior and Cam signs as expected then Junior "retires" with no farewell game or the fanfare that he deserves. If Cam Bruce does find a better offer elsewhere there is a possible way back for Junior if MFC ate a big slice of humble pie - he's still under contract on the list until after trade period.

On the Nathan Jones discussion I think everyone is missing the point. I'd be amazed if we were "shopping" Jones around for trade. He's a good player and we should be offering him a decent contract - standard 2 years at the money he's currently on. Often players get better offers elsewhere - he may want 3 years and significantly more money and he may be able to get that e.g. GC or Sydney looking to replace Brett Kirk. Then it's a standard negotiation just like it was with Brad Green and Aaron Davey over the past 2 years.

The question is how far do we go in the negotiation, is Jones as important as Green or Davey? I'd say no - if our team is going to be a flag contender then many young players will need to improve and go past Nathan Jones - I think that's what we've got to assume is going to happen - if Nathan Jones remains a core component we're not going to be challenging so in the big picture it doesn't really matter. If we give him a big long contract it compromises our position with players we expect to be better than him. So if we don't budge too far on the contract negotiations and Nathan Jones can do better elsewhere that's when and why trade talk arises - not because we WANT to get rid of him. In this circumstance a trade is in both parties best interest - otherwise he leaves for nothing with possibly no guarantee of ending up where he wants to - lose-lose.

Hmmn, nice post,,, thanks 'old'.

[Axis of Bob 11,687]

Agreed. Great post, old.

[Deeoldfart 8,005]

Yep. All good sense.

[jayceebee31 759]

You are right. A premiership team is made up of many types. There are players who are your "stars" that are critical to your success. You build sides and plan your future on and around these players. Jones is not a star and is not a crticial keepsafe for the push to a flag. Jones' role can be filled by other players over the course of the journey to the top. BTW, I not sure there is any player that isnt doing his best for the team. If the FD find a deal for Jones elsewhere then so be it. If our talented youth develop, mature and improve the standard bar will rise and further challenge and overtake the futures of players like Jones going forward.

Your points are valid but do you wish he leaves or the club offers himas a trade? I surely don't especially this draft.. I would be very surprised if we have any more than 4 picks outside rookie picks.The talent could still take a few years to fully mature.Your comments please.

Edited September 9, 2010 by jayceebee31

[rumpole 515]

I have sympathy for the FD, they had to make a tough decision on Junior. I expect they're offering Cam Bruce a new contract - he played great footy towards the end of 2010 and he doesn't rely on pace to do it - so losing it is not a factor. He has been very durable and could easily go on for at least a couple more years. I'd be offering him 2 years at decent money since he's on the vets list (probably a pay cut since last contract was his prime) and I'd be expecting him to take it. If all goes extremely well he might even get another year and be part of a flag in 2013 a la Shane Crawford.

To free a spot on the primary list Green goes on the VL and Junior "retires". If we waited until the Cam Bruce scenario plays out before making a decision on Junior and Cam signs as expected then Junior "retires" with no farewell game or the fanfare that he deserves. If Cam Bruce does find a better offer elsewhere there is a possible way back for Junior if MFC ate a big slice of humble pie - he's still under contract on the list until after trade period.

Just an aside, I think the tough decision on Junior has been vindicated to an extent by the sad scenario surrounding the retirement of Brad Johnson. I don't think we would have wanted to see that happen to Junior next year.

[Demon Disciple 12,068]

The talent could still take a few years to fully mature.Your comments please.

If you're including Jones in this talent group, i must disagree with you. Jones was drafted in 2005 and has had 5 years to develop and mature. He's had plenty of time to show us what he's got, he no longer has 'potential' as he should have reached said level by now, if there were improvement left in him. Too little, too late if we're waiting for Jones to 'fully mature'.

Edited September 9, 2010 by Demon Disciple

[GRUN DEE 69]

Nathan Jones to Sydney for Jesse White???

Thoughts?

Jesse White dropped for this weeks final...