Luke Ball in the National Draft

[Old Gregg 1]

Let's all move on from Ball...we have better options.

[Guest The Old Xaverian]

Well then, you're back.

Yes, you've confirmed exactly what I already said. Thanks.

Tell me, as a Collingwood supporter, do you want Ball?

I'm not fussed either way. I personally feel Ball is limited as a footballer, he has the body of a 28 year old b/c of Grant Thomas/Telstra Dome.

You're playing with fire though if you draft a player who doesn't want to be there & you don't want to be wasting draft picks when you need taller options to provide support to Watts.

Edited November 11, 2009 by The Old Xaverian

[w00dy 146]

Ball could also refuse to sign a contract from Melbourne (which he is entitled to do) after being drafted by them (which is the waste of a pick) & be forced into the PSD.

Get a clue... You're not doing the stereotype of your clubs supporters any favours with the dribble you post here...

That is completely inaccurate... Could Butcher if he gets picked by Port Adelaide, say I don't want to go interstate and I'm going to reject your club and go into the Pre-Season draft, where I can be selected by Melbourne and stay in Victoria? Of course he can't...

By signing on for the draft, he's agreeing to go wherever he's drafted for 2 seasons... He can't then just refuse and walk into the PSD... His only option would be not to play footy, and even then to spite him, Melbourne could not trade him at the end of next season, keep him on the list for 2 seasons until his contract is up, at which time it would almost be curtains for him having spent 2 years out of footy...

[Guest The Old Xaverian]

That is completely inaccurate... Could Butcher if he gets picked by Port Adelaide, say I don't want to go interstate and I'm going to reject your club and go into the Pre-Season draft, where I can be selected by Melbourne and stay in Victoria? Of course he can't

Butcher / Ball is not a good example on your part.

There are different rules for players with AFL experience (i.e. 1 is dictating their contract terms) & players with no AFL experience (they can't do this). There are quite a number of differences.

Getting back to your Butcher example, Darren Jarmen did exactly the opposite of what you stated to end up at Hawthorn, not Brisbane, which is not a matter I'm arguing but proves you're out of your depth.

Edited November 11, 2009 by The Old Xaverian

[Carlos Danger 380]

I'm not fussed either way. I personally feel Ball is limited as a footballer, he has the body of a 28 year old b/c of Grant Thomas/Telstra Dome.

You're playing with fire though if you draft a player who doesn't want to be there & you don't want to be wasting draft picks when you need taller options to provide support to Watts.

Extremely amusing coming from a Collingwood supporter, your lousy forward line is the biggest hurdle standing between your club and premierships.

[loges 6,767]

Ball could also refuse to sign a contract from Melbourne (which he is entitled to do) after being drafted by them (which is the waste of a pick) & be forced into the PSD.

Somehow don't think the system would be designed to allow this to happen,just common sense that it wouldn't!

[Guest The Old Xaverian]

Extremely amusing coming from a Collingwood supporter, your lousy forward line is the biggest hurdle standing between your club and premierships.

Our forward line is indeed lousy, so much that of the last 12 players to gain AA selection in the forward line, 1/4 of them have been Collingwood players.

[Carlos Danger 380]

Our forward line is indeed lousy, so much that of the last 12 players to gain AA selection in the forward line, 1/4 of them have been Collingwood players.

A fancy season with AA selection means absolutely nothing if you only fall to pieces come finals time, just ask Leon Davis.

[w00dy 146]

Butcher / Ball is not a good example on your part.

There are different rules for players with AFL experience (i.e. 1 is dictating their contract terms) & players with no AFL experience (they can't do this). There are quite a number of differences.

Getting back to your Butcher example, Darren Jarmen did exactly the opposite of what you stated to end up at Hawthorn, not Brisbane, which is not a matter I'm arguing but proves you're out of your depth.

There are different rules for players who have previously been on an AFL list compared to those who haven't. That being they can nominate a salary / contract terms. Ball can do this, but once he's nominated these, he's bound to go where ever he is drafted.

4.4.5 Drafted Player Bound for 23 Months

(a) Subject to Rule 4.4.5( B) , any Player selected by a Club at the National Draft Selection Meeting or otherwise included on the Primary List of a Club, shall be ineligible to be included on the Primary List of any other Club for a period of 23 months from the date upon which he is selected or included on the Primary List.

( B) Rule 4.4.5(a) does not apply where the Player:

(i) enters into a Contract of Service with the Club for at least one AFL Season;

(ii) is exchanged under Rule 4.3; or

(iii) is deleted from a Club’s Primary List other than pursuant to Rule 5.7( B) .

There's a quote straight from the rule book. He would have to enter into a contract of service with Melbourne for at least one season, be traded or delisted by Melbourne in order to be placed on the primary list of another club, which would entail entering the pre-season draft.

My friend, you're out of your depth.

Edited November 11, 2009 by vanlo

[Guest hangon007]

I'm not fussed either way. I personally feel Ball is limited as a footballer, he has the body of a 28 year old b/c of Grant Thomas/Telstra Dome.

You're playing with fire though if you draft a player who doesn't want to be there & you don't want to be wasting draft picks when you need taller options to provide support to Watts.

Thanks for that - your advice is truly noted. Must confess most of us are not fussed either way.

We got a fist full of cards and we will play them when & if it suits us!

[deestroyers 0]

There are different rules for players who have previously been on an AFL list compared to those who haven't. That being they can nominate a salary / contract terms. Ball can do this, but once he's nominated these, he's bound to go where ever he is drafted.

There's a quote straight from the rule book. He would have to enter into a contract of service with Melbourne for at least one season, be traded or delisted by Melbourne in order to be placed on the primary list of another club, which would entail entering the pre-season draft.

My friend, you're out of your depth.

Lovely work vanlo, lovely work.

Thats curtains for you, Old Xav.

[e25 5]

There are different rules for players who have previously been on an AFL list compared to those who haven't. That being they can nominate a salary / contract terms. Ball can do this, but once he's nominated these, he's bound to go where ever he is drafted.

There's a quote straight from the rule book. He would have to enter into a contract of service with Melbourne for at least one season, be traded or delisted by Melbourne in order to be placed on the primary list of another club, which would entail entering the pre-season draft.

My friend, you're out of your depth.

Nice work there.

But whether its true or not, I did read an article about Ball yesterday claiming one option he is keeping in mind is to refuse to sign with the team that drafts him and sit out 1 year of football, after which he can then be traded to the pies.

It didn't go into any more specifics and I don't remember which article.

But it seems you've proven even that to be incorrect.

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

Surely all of this grandstanding over picking up Ball in the draft is now a waste of time. Picking him up with a free crack in the PSD is one thing, but wasting an extremely valuable pick in 11 or 18 on a guy who will struggle to get a game with us in 3 or 4 years time when we're in flag mode would be an absolute joke and the sort of short-sighted list management that costs a club dearly. I don't mind the club considering all their options carefully, but I will be absolutely livid if we pick up Ball at 18. He will not be the difference between us winning a flag and not. Will the kid we pick at 18be that difference? Who knows. It's a riskier choice but a far better option in my opinion, one far more likely to lead to a flag, rather than a slightly better ladder position for the next 3 years.

Its Interesting that so many of you Guys are worried about Luke ball in 3-4 years. Personally i am more interested in what Luke Ball can teach our Midfield in the next 2 years.

Nobody can Predict anything after that. Football is a Body Contact sport, every player is vulnerable.

If we get 2 years out of Luke Ball & Scully. Trengove & Jonesy Flourish. With hopefully september action i will be stoked!!

This talk of 5 years plus is fanciful.

As Tim Harrington said yesterday for even an 18 year old they ask at every pick read out "Will this kid play 100 games?"

Any thing over that is in the Bonus column.

[45HG 1,539]

I'm almost laughing at the thought of Ball sitting out of football for a year so he can be picked up next season. Gee, what a prospect he would be then.

[mikeod 21]

Ball could also refuse to sign a contract from Melbourne (which he is entitled to do) after being drafted by them (which is the waste of a pick) & be forced into the PSD.

Absolute rubbish.

Please at least do some research before posting this sort of stuff.

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

I'm almost laughing at the thought of Ball sitting out of football for a year so he can be picked up next season. Gee, what a prospect he would be then.

I agree, Some Journo has made that up. When did Luke or Connors actually look down the Barrell of a camera or speak into a telephone those words??

If i am wrong fair enough, but these two have not said anything as far as i have picked up. SEN would have played it constantly!!!

It's a ridiculous concept anyway. Standing out for a year in modern footy wouldn't be easy.

Lets see if Nathan Ablett can do it.

[LITTLE STINGA 1]

Worse than thrush ... he might get drafted by Port Adelaide. That is what he, his manager and his pack of advisers deserve.

I hope so. I can't believe the way they have managed this circus. Conners is an amateur.

[Wolfmother 182]

Nice work there.

But whether its true or not, I did read an article about Ball yesterday claiming one option he is keeping in mind is to refuse to sign with the team that drafts him and sit out 1 year of football, after which he can then be traded to the pies.

It didn't go into any more specifics and I don't remember which article.

But it seems you've proven even that to be incorrect.

Luke Ball can sit out the year of football if Melbourne draft him and he doesn't want to play (It would be interesting how the contract was arranged and if the dees would have to pay anything). If he nominated a 2yr contract for 500K a year (which is what is rumoured) then he would be on the list for two years if drafted by any club. Ball cannot refuse to sign a contract as when he enters the draft he can stat his terms and any club matching those terms and thus using a pick enters into a contract with Luke Ball...

But if nominates a contract for one year and melbourne draft him he is still on our list... He would need to be traded, delisted (club or his choice) or PSD next season to get to Collingwood and do you think GC wouldn't nab him in one of there picks....

So by even sitting out a year he cannot get to collingwood unless everyone passes on him again next year (which they may but big chance they may not)...

By putting himself in the draft he has opened himself up and I think the two suitors at this stage are port and melbourne.... I think Melbourne are talking up pick 11 to get port to use pick 8 or 9 (those believe a previous AA is not worth pick 8,9, 11, 16 or 18 are kidding themselves) as Port would use pick 16(its third pick) to beat Melbourne at pick 18......

I don't think Collingwood have any chance as two many clubs will have a crack and sitting out for a year would be merely a threat

[e25 5]

I agree, Some Journo has made that up. When did Luke or Connors actually look down the Barrell of a camera or speak into a telephone those words??

If i am wrong fair enough, but these two have not said anything as far as i have picked up. SEN would have played it constantly!!!

It's a ridiculous concept anyway. Standing out for a year in modern footy wouldn't be easy.

Lets see if Nathan Ablett can do it.

He can. No doubt.

[damon the demon 57]

Dees are surely foxing on the Ball thing now - if Ball had come out and said he wanted to play for us then we'd take him - but if you don't want to play for Melbourne then Melbourne doesn't want you either...

[... 11]

When is the MFC going to come out and state that we are no longer interested in Luke Ball? He has openly displayed that he doesn't want to come to MFC. If he wanted to come, and truly cared about the club, he'd have nominated for the PSD rather than deliberately making us use a pick in the ND which will be deleterious to the club cf if he'd nominated for the PSD. We need to go into some damage control and make it obvious that he is no longer welcome as he obviously does not have MFC's best interests at heart.

He is over-rated. He is arrogant. I was never that fussed as to whether or not he played for us, yet this has turned into yet another invited rejection of our future and direction.

I wish him all the best at Collingwood, and hope that he is on the ground the day we win a flag, and that he is picking up Tom Scully as Tom has 35 disposals and 3 goals, whilst feeding Jack Watts several goal begetting bullets.

I no longer feel the necessity of being nice about Ball, he has shunned us to a degree that a VAFA side would take offense to.

Not happy Jan.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

When is the MFC going to come out and state that we are no longer interested in Luke Ball?

Why should it?

Even if the Club weren't interested, the ploy of saying we would be prepared to use 11 or 18 on Ball may force interested parties to act in advance of where they would have normally bid to get Ball thereby effectively moving MFC up the draft order for either pick 18 or both pick 11 and 18.

Some of the crisis hissyfits around here are self serving.

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

When is the MFC going to come out and state that we are no longer interested in Luke Ball? He has openly displayed that he doesn't want to come to MFC. If he wanted to come, and truly cared about the club, he'd have nominated for the PSD rather than deliberately making us use a pick in the ND which will be deleterious to the club cf if he'd nominated for the PSD. We need to go into some damage control and make it obvious that he is no longer welcome as he obviously does not have MFC's best interests at heart.

He is over-rated. He is arrogant. I was never that fussed as to whether or not he played for us, yet this has turned into yet another invited rejection of our future and direction.

I wish him all the best at Collingwood, and hope that he is on the ground the day we win a flag, and that he is picking up Tom Scully as Tom has 35 disposals and 3 goals, whilst feeding Jack Watts several goal begetting bullets.

I no longer feel the necessity of being nice about Ball, he has shunned us to a degree that a VAFA side would take offense to.

Not happy Jan.

I keep asking this.....When and where has Luke Ball said anything??? Not a word has been spoken.....If it has show me where....

[Disco Demons 92]

getting luke ball is not the culture i want at the club...pick a young kid who can see that coming to us now..working hard is going to equal sucess...luke ball is bitter with the saints, is at the cross roads of his career,,,clearly to emtional to make a rational decision about his future...given we could have paid him a large amount of money. and has no confidence in his body. personally i feel he doesn't want to be apart of rebuilding phase at any club. just fit straight into the pies because they have the football department to keep his body going longer than melbs.

i say front load a few more contracts and pickup kids,,,who are best availble to fill some holes.

even though gold coast will be around....hopefully we could snag someone who doesn't want to leave melb/come to melbourne next year.

when do we let go of ball?

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

when do we let go of ball?

After the Draft is finished, because in the eyes of the Footy Dept he is still in the mix, & with a so called thin Draft, depth wise, so he should.

Have another look at the First Half of this years GF. Luke played well, better than any of our side would last september. He could teach us a few things during a game.....

Edited November 11, 2009 by why you little