Scully and Butcher at Visy Park today

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

And who would they be?

You have not worked it out.

I'd back Hannibal, Bob, Fan, WJ and possibly Jekyll off the top.

The rest I dont think I would back.

There are some like Freak and Nudge...Run a mile!!

[Redleg 38,092]

And who would they be?

Me?

While it is great for everyone on here to have their opinion on everything, I take the recruiting of players posts very lightly.

I think most would agree that that the majority know very little about the potential candidates and act off headlines or the posts of the most vocal.

I attended the championship at Etihad this year and last and readily admit that gives me very little to base an opinion on. I don't see the weekly games or speak to the boys.

This is all fun guessing who we will take in the draft and trade, but when it is all said and done I have faith in the guys charged with the task of building the list. Our list by the way is in the best condition I can recall in the last 40 years. There is so much talent with more to be added that I can see years of success coming our way.

Thankfully, our future off the field is looking healthy as well.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Me?

While it is great for everyone on here to have their opinion on everything, I take the recruiting of players posts very lightly.

I think most would agree that that the majority know very little about the potential candidates and act off headlines or the posts of the most vocal.

I attended the championship at Etihad this year and last and readily admit that gives me very little to base an opinion on. I don't see the weekly games or speak to the boys.

This is all fun guessing who we will take in the draft and trade, but when it is all said and done I have faith in the guys charged with the task of building the list. Our list by the way is in the best condition I can recall in the last 40 years. There is so much talent with more to be added that I can see years of success coming our way.

Thankfully, our future off the field is looking healthy as well.

Sorry, Redleg. I did say off the top. Find yourself included.

I would have had you in front of WJ....but its his site.

But you are right about the majority of poster recycling naive media opinion and hybebole

[Redleg 38,092]

Checking the TAC website it appears Butch didn't get any goals, I could've sworn he did but maybe I was confusing him with another dude who has a very similar hairstyle and general appearance.

He's not as bad as some people have made out on these forums without seeing him in the flesh.

Not having a go at you, but more a generalization. You confused a possible Number 2 pick with someone else. He did nothing in the game. You then say he is not as bad as some people on here have made out. Meanwhile many posters are saying he has to be pick number 2.

Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Redleg 38,092]

Sorry, Redleg. I did say off the top. Find yourself included.

I would have had you in front of WJ....but its his site.

You do know that WJ is one of my pseudonyms.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

You do know that WJ is one of my pseudonyms.

I think you run a very good site.

So all those posts about you and he catching up to go to the footy..... <_<

Do you by chance produce two membership tickets when you seek to enter the ground?

[Redleg 38,092]

I think you run a very good site.

So all those posts about you and he catching up to go to the footy..... <_<

Just like Clark Kent and Superman.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,344]

I would have had you in front of WJ....but its his site.

GOLD

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Just like Clark Kent and Superman.

Thanks Lois

[Redleg 38,092]

Thanks Lois

You are welcome Jimmy.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Touche.

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

Touche.

Sigmund Freud would have an absolute birthday analysing some of you blokes.

Just for the record, Redleg and I are definitely not the same person although he does enjoy the privilege of living four doors away in the same street. I believe he and Rhino are in some mutual appreciation society because Rhino was once known as "Redleg" on another site.

Back on subject, I would be astonished if Butcher was drafted with Melbourne's pick 2. Selection 18 maybe.

I suspect however, that a club like Richmond might be eager to get him.

[Hannabal 4]

I suspect however, that a club like Richmond might be eager to get him.

Jon Ralph said in the HS recently that they'd be targeting a mid. Morabito ?

Of course he may be wrong and there may have been an assumption that we'd take Butcher.

I can see Butcher in purple.

[Demonic_Inferno 17]

Not having a go at you, but more a generalization. You confused a possible Number 2 pick with someone else. He did nothing in the game. You then say he is not as bad as some people on here have made out. Meanwhile many posters are saying he has to be pick number 2.

Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps you missed this part of my post then? I see you edited it out when using it as a basis for your comments:

'However there's no mistaking him up close, and the lad can certainly take a strong mark. He's not as bad as some people have made out on these forums without seeing him in the flesh. Regardless I still sit in the 2 mids camp.'

I only mistook him for kicking some goals in the distance due to a similar appearance to another player in the Power, I recognised him up close however, which is when I was commenting on his marking ability.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Demonic_Inferno

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,304]

WTF????

6 months ago, it would have been unanimous on this forum to take Butcher at #2.

And all of a sudden he's in the same league as SCHULZ??? Low.

This is an outstanding, top 5 talent we're talking about, not some mid 20 pick at best who we're stupidly considering at #2.

Very well said.

People on this forum never cease to amaze me, constantly trying to put someone down!

He is a great talent, but no, he wont be no.2 pick, however, he is NOT Jay Schulz, he is a talent with alot of raw potential that just needs some good coaching and learning on the job at senior level.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,344]

Sigmund Freud would have an absolute birthday analysing some of you blokes.

Just for the record, Redleg and I are definitely not the same person although he does enjoy the privilege of living four doors away in the same street. I believe he and Rhino are in some mutual appreciation society because Rhino was once known as "Redleg" on another site.

Back on subject, I would be astonished if Butcher was drafted with Melbourne's pick 2. Selection 18 maybe.

I suspect however, that a club like Richmond might be eager to get him.

Why would you be astonished if we took him at 2 but not suprised if Richmond took him 1 pick later? Is there that much difference between their need for talls?

[e25 5]

Sigmund Freud would have an absolute birthday analysing some of you blokes.

Just for the record, Redleg and I are definitely not the same person although he does enjoy the privilege of living four doors away in the same street. I believe he and Rhino are in some mutual appreciation society because Rhino was once known as "Redleg" on another site.

Back on subject, I would be astonished if Butcher was drafted with Melbourne's pick 2. Selection 18 maybe.

I suspect however, that a club like Richmond might be eager to get him.

Now, how come I get shouted down and branded an idiot when I say this?

Ok, besides the numerous stupid posts I make and the fact that your opinion is actually respected on this forum..?

Ah, forget it... :D

[e25 5]

Why would you be astonished if we took him at 2 but not suprised if Richmond took him 1 pick later? Is there that much difference between their need for talls?

They are Richmond remember.

And Butcher is just not as good as his reputation would suggest.

Undoubtedly all the clubs will rate individual players differently and it may just transpire with the clubs that do rate Butcher having other players available at their pick that they rate higher.

Personally, I think he is an enticing prospect, but it is far too much of a roll of the dice, especially at such a high pick.

[bjgc 0]

And who would they be?

Anyone that agrees with Rhino

[deanox 8,800]

Rhinos list is a pretty good summary methinks. not saying there aren't a few others whose opinions i rate, but i wouldn't be rubbishing what those posters had to say, and the only reason for that is they've done it right for a lot of years around here...

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

Why would you be astonished if we took him at 2 but not suprised if Richmond took him 1 pick later? Is there that much difference between their need for talls?

It's not so much about their needs but more about the perception at Tigerland about what's the best available for the club. My impression of the way Richmond usually goes about doing things is that they have been trying to offset some past drafting miscalculations by coming up with some flakey recruiting decisions. They're still living with the fact that they were trumped by Hawthorn in the Roughead/Franklin draft, have made some other aweful blunders (e.g Oakley-Nicholls) and the Cousins decision also divided the club.

I think Melbourne's first and second selections are going to be Scully and Trengove. This will leave the Tigers with either Morabito, Butcher or one of list of many other midsize types such as Martin, Cunnington, Lucas or Rohan. I suspect they won't take the third best mid, they don't have the cohunas to take the risk with WA's Morabito so they'll go for the "tall" in Butcher. On what I've seen of Butcher I wouldn't invest pick 2 on him but the Tigers might well use pick 3.

Then again I could be completely wrong.   

[beelzebub 22,373]

An element to this whole Butcher yes/no debate that may have eluded some is the type of player Melbourne seems to have been going after recently and the types its probably looking at now. These players all tend to have one thing in common and this to me has been empahasised in Bailey's recent experimentations...Versatility. We seem to be developing a team that doesnt work around the typical dynamics of even recent times but a much more fluid model that enables the FD ( game day ) to remould in the image of what suits the days play best. To be able to do this soe players need to be able to play front and back, some will be recast form KPPs to flanks and wings.. mids revolving through HF and Hb lines even popping up in pockets etc. And to me thjis is why MFC WONT pick Butcher.. hes a goal square kid !! His game is predomiinantly built around the abiltu to kick goals.. the greater abundance of his kicks are for scores. He seems to lack that other side of his game. Players like Jurrah , Watts, Bate..even dare I say it Miller can work the ball further up the ground and be imposing whilst linking. I dont beleive this is in Butchers kit. Probably too much of a one trick pony here.

I have an inkling Hannibal might be on to something and we'll see Jack in purple..lucky him huh !!

Edited September 7, 2009 by belzebub59

[old55 21,699]

It's not so much about their needs but more about the perception at Tigerland about what's the best available for the club. My impression of the way Richmond usually goes about doing things is that they have been trying to offset some past drafting miscalculations by coming up with some flakey recruiting decisions.

I think Richmond are in completely different hands now - Gale, Hardwick and Cameron - a pretty good team and they wont be looking back, just forward.

[beelzebub 22,373]

I think Richmond are in completely different hands now - Gale, Hardwick and Cameron - a pretty good team and they wont be looking back, just forward.

Of those three maybe Hardwick !!

Gale has very quickly proven hes not quite as clever as he thinks...and Im glad CAC is at Richmond now as his replacements here have proved far more insightful and skillful than he.

Its going to take years to change..for Richmond as I think Tigers are just behind Zebras ...stripewise !!

[e25 5]

Gale has very quickly proven hes not quite as clever as he thinks...and Im glad CAC is at Richmond now as his replacements here have proved far more insightful and skillful than he.

How did Gale prove that? (I mean, besides choosing the job of Richmond CEO)

And I don't think we can really judge CAC compared to his replacements for a few more years yet.