Possible Coaching changes

[Mousey 47]

Just an opinion thread...

Who out of the current coaching team should be changed or who should be added?

I think Wellman has been fantastic and should remain..

Scotty West should hopefully get a more full time position for next year?

Mohoney?(sorry bout spelling) What are peoples views on this? Forward line has not been the most talented to work with? I feel if he does stay we should be getting a big man part time coach to teach watts jurrah etc...Would love to see the Ox return.

Recruiting wise- Brendan Lade- Bailey would know him well and think he would be a great ruck coach for our young ruck brigade?

Thoughts?

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Just an opinion thread...

Who out of the current coaching team should be changed or who should be added?

I think Wellman has been fantastic and should remain..

Scotty West should hopefully get a more full time position for next year?

Mohoney?(sorry bout spelling) What are peoples views on this? Forward line has not been the most talented to work with? I feel if he does stay we should be getting a big man part time coach to teach watts jurrah etc...Would love to see the Ox return.

Recruiting wise- Brendan Lade- Bailey would know him well and think he would be a great ruck coach for our young ruck brigade?

Thoughts?

Agree with most of that but would say no to the Ox. Absolute priority is someone with some ideas and imagination on centre clearances and stoppages.

[deeflog 679]

Agree with most of that but would say no to the Ox. Absolute priority is someone with some ideas and imagination on centre clearances and stoppages.

thats the area i thought Scott West was really going to be a great inclusion for this club, but it just seemed to be the same old centre stuff from melbourne this year, considering the doggies are brilliant at the centre clearances and have been for a few years

[Gorgoroth 12,701]

West would be really good if he was there as a full time assistant.

[H_T 3,032]

Brendan Lade is a good suggestion mousey.

Justin Leppitsch?

Craig Lambert?

[e25 5]

Yeah, I like the idea of Brendon Lade... even if he did chase Morton like he was going to eat him.

Premiership Ruckman/Forward. Tough. No nonsense.

Has a nice bit of aggro.

Could be a great Ruck or Midfield coach?

Not sure about his credentials as a teacher, communicator or leader, but I imagine he'd be highly sought after and rumours abound that he will be straight over to Richmond with Hardwick.

Mind you - no mention of our midfield coach Mark Williams? Surely the full-time midfield coach rates a mention.

And why are you so sure Scott West is a good midfield coach?

He was never captain at the doggies.

Great players don't always translate into great coaches.

[Roost It 1,434]

And why are you so sure Scott West is a good midfield coach?

He was never captain at the doggies.

Great players don't always translate into great coaches.

My bet is Scully and possibly Trengove, along with more midfield time for Grimes and Sylvia might just improve his coaching

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Unless you are close to the footy department and the workings of it, the average footy supporter may as well shoot fish in lake with a blind fold in assessing assistant coaches. Mouseys assessment of Wellman, West and Mahoney directly reflects the cattle at hand. We have the makings of a fine defence which has been 3 to 4 years in the making. The midfield is taking shape and will be bolstered with the two top draft picks. The forward line is at the early stage of development with the two keys , Watts and Jurrah in their first year without a pre season. Its no wonder when you have green prospects up forward and a third world midfield that gets cut up that a forward line coach is going to look bad.

Are any of these coaches out of contract this year?

[pitmaster 3,446]

Unless you are close to the footy department and the workings of it, the average footy supporter may as well shoot fish in lake with a blind fold in assessing assistant coaches.

That's essentially correct, although it was pretty clear in his one year with our midfield that Ratten did a sensational job.

We have not gone close to that good in the middle since he left.

West full time would probably be as good as any.;

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

That's essentially correct, although it was pretty clear in his one year with our midfield that Ratten did a sensational job.

We have not gone close to that good in the middle since he left.

West full time would probably be as good as any.;

Your comment just proves my point. Ratten had the cattle that year.

We had Scott Thompson who was sensational until he got injured (round 15/16?). We had an AA ruckman in White that gave us first use of the ball out of the centre. Its interesting that when Thompson went injured and White tired physically from rucking solo most of the year, the midfield drive was gone and we fell in a heap and crashed out of the finals with barely a whimper. Thompson went to Adelaide and White was neutered by the change in the centre bounce rule. We have floundered in the middle since as we did not have the same calibre of player in the mids.

[Tatu 416]

would like to see Todd Viney back with the red and blue, as midfield coach.

[drdrake 3,118]

One thing we have to do is get rid off the sprint coach Boden Babajkek(spelling wrong but you know who I mean), a few here including me brought to attention the injury history when he was involved with Hawthorn, seems it followed him to the MFC. Sprint coaches are no good at AFL clubs.

For Scott West to become Full time we need to find another role for Mark Williams he is actually the midfield coach at the moment.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

One thing we have to do is get rid off the sprint coach Boden Babajkek(spelling wrong but you know who I mean), a few here including me brought to attention the injury history when he was involved with Hawthorn, seems it followed him to the MFC. Sprint coaches are no good at AFL clubs.

Good idea lets sack him on the basis of rumour and innuendo.

If there is plausible and valid evidence that BB is at fault or failing his job then he like any one else should be held accountable.

However, despite the naive accusations and trumped up rumour, I have not heard a valid case for doing so. Glad you're easily bought.

BTW, someone correct me but I dont think BB is a the sprints coach and from the MFC website....

Adam Paulo – Assistant Fitness Coach

- Valeri Stoimenov – Strength and Conditioning Coach

- Bohdan Babijczuk – Athletic Development Coach

So who is actually responsible for what? Would any supporter know? Not likely.

But lets sack BB anyway for the sake of it.

[e25 5]

Good idea lets sack him on the basis of rumour and innuendo.

If there is plausible and valid evidence that BB is at fault or failing his job then he like any one else should be held accountable.

However, despite the naive accusations and trumped up rumour, I have not heard a valid case for doing so. Glad you're easily bought.

BTW, someone correct me but I dont think BB is a the sprints coach and from the MFC website....

Adam Paulo – Assistant Fitness Coach

- Valeri Stoimenov – Strength and Conditioning Coach

- Bohdan Babijczuk – Athletic Development Coach

So who is actually responsible for what? Would any supporter know? Not likely.

But lets sack BB anyway for the sake of it.

Actually I recall Shane Crawford in his book singing the praises of Bohdan in particular for his amazing knowledge in all things to do with physical fitness and how much he had taught him along the journey.

He also went on to talk about what a good bloke Chris Connolly was and how he brought the club together.

[dee-man 0]

Yeah, I like the idea of Brendon Lade... even if he did chase Morton like he was going to eat him.

Premiership Ruckman/Forward. Tough. No nonsense.

Has a nice bit of aggro.

Could be a great Ruck or Midfield coach?

Not sure about his credentials as a teacher, communicator or leader, but I imagine he'd be highly sought after and rumours abound that he will be straight over to Richmond with Hardwick.

Mind you - no mention of our midfield coach Mark Williams? Surely the full-time midfield coach rates a mention.

And why are you so sure Scott West is a good midfield coach?

He was never captain at the doggies.

Great players don't always translate into great coaches.

I thinl Lade wpuld be great as a assistant.Warren Tredrae has stated in the paper that hes the best coaching prospect he has seen at the club,rates him higher than Bailey,Hardwick etc.Says hes a great talker,motivator & is very smart about all things football.Richmond has been mentioned but so has Melbourne,obviously with Bailey & mahoney being there.Another one is Matthew Primus,hes looking at offers in Vic at the moment & looks like he will leave.Power say that hes the reason they have done so well in midfield clearences & goals kicked from ball ups.Scott West seems to be good & was a gun player so hopefully this works out with the more time he spends with us

[Skipper3 7]

And why are you so sure Scott West is a good midfield coach?

He was never captain at the doggies.

Great players don't always translate into great coaches.

I dont know about anyone else, but MFC supporters i talk to say our midfield have played better this year than last year & the midfielders say he has been a huge help.

He was a great teacher to the young Bulldog players in his last years. Says to me his is a very good man to have at the club.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

I'm not sold on Scotty West. Give him a go and everything, and he was a great player, but I'm not sure how he'd be withe the thinking/innovating side of the game.

Mahoney as well, I don't know much about.

Other than that, keep Wellman for sure.

[drdrake 3,118]

Good idea lets sack him on the basis of rumour and innuendo.

If there is plausible and valid evidence that BB is at fault or failing his job then he like any one else should be held accountable.

However, despite the naive accusations and trumped up rumour, I have not heard a valid case for doing so. Glad you're easily bought.

BTW, someone correct me but I dont think BB is a the sprints coach and from the MFC website....

Adam Paulo – Assistant Fitness Coach

- Valeri Stoimenov – Strength and Conditioning Coach

- Bohdan Babijczuk – Athletic Development Coach

So who is actually responsible for what? Would any supporter know? Not likely.

But lets sack BB anyway for the sake of it.

All I know Rhino is for the past three years our injury list has been long, how many games have our best 22 played together over the past three years, it would supprise me if it was more than 6 or 7. That comes down to conditioning and preparation.

I believe he came from a sprint coaching background, from memory I think he coached Steve Hutton to win a Stawell gift in the 90's.

[dee-tox 4,835]

I dont know about anyone else, but MFC supporters i talk to say our midfield have played better this year than last year & the midfielders say he has been a huge help.

He was a great teacher to the young Bulldog players in his last years. Says to me his is a very good man to have at the club.

Please note West is not I repeat not our midfield coach. Mark Williams has the job and is assisted by West.

[e25 5]

Please note West is not I repeat not our midfield coach. Mark Williams has the job and is assisted by West.

Precisely. In a part-time role at that.

And of course the players say he is a great help when asked about their new star assistant coach, do you expect them to say "Nah, haven't really noticed a difference..."?

Edited September 1, 2009 by Enforcer25

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

All I know Rhino is for the past three years our injury list has been long, how many games have our best 22 played together over the past three years, it would supprise me if it was more than 6 or 7. That comes down to conditioning and preparation.

I believe he came from a sprint coaching background, from memory I think he coached Steve Hutton to win a Stawell gift in the 90's.

Right he had a stint at sprint coaching over 10 years ago. Brilliant. That has no relevance to his functional responsibilities now. And how would you possibly know what comes down to "conditioning" and "preparation" when you have no clue as to why the injuries have occurred? Do you know the roles of the people I mentioned at MFC or are going to rely on an uninformed educated guess again?

Do you know why those injuries have occurred? Were they the result of soft tissue injuries or actually collision in the play injuries? There are other factors in play. I find it hard to hang fitness staff if a player incurs an injury through landing awkwardly from a mark or through a collision with an opponent.

Given we have completely flipped over our list with generational change in players occurring I find it self serving that anyone could try an used "best 22" as any sort of measuring. What I do know would affect the list is that we had a number of players who had come to end of their careers and had started incurring long healing injuries on old bodies (Neitz, Yze, Robbo, Picket, Whelan, Wheatley - there six). In addition we have a number of young players whose bodies are young and still developing for the rigours of AFL (Blease, Strausss, Wona, Garland,McNamara, Grimes, Petterd, Bartram). We also have players who are still managing LT OP situations in Rivers and Sylvia.

You should know better than to get naively sucked in by the trial by runour and innuendo practised by some wingnuts on this site.

[MikeyJ 60]

All I know Rhino is for the past three years our injury list has been long, how many games have our best 22 played together over the past three years, it would supprise me if it was more than 6 or 7. That comes down to conditioning and preparation.

I believe he came from a sprint coaching background, from memory I think he coached Steve Hutton to win a Stawell gift in the 90's.

Take a look at the nature of those injuries. If there had been an increased rate of hamstring and quadricep strains, then you might be on to something.

However, recent long-term injuries that have cruelled players include:

Foot (Garland, Meesen)

Jaw (Green)

Knee (Wonaeamirri)

Back (Grimes)

Groin (Buckley, Moloney, Petterd, Rivers- and the latter three have actually improved their fitness this year)

Achilles (Robertson)

Leg (Blease)

The only one that you might be able to point the finger at is Wheatley's quad strain - but you're talking about a player who's been beset by soft-tissue injuries throughout his career.

If you can show how BB's training has contributed to Robbo's achilles, Green's broken jaw, Petterd's punctured lung, Garland and Meesen's foot fractures, a quartet of long-term groin problems (three of which have IMPROVED) and Aussie's knee, good on you. I bet you can't.

Edited September 1, 2009 by MikeyJ

[e25 5]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see a way that Babiczuk can't be responsible for stress fractures and shoulder reconstructions -- clearly sprinting injuries.

The whole team should maintain its fitness through jogging slow laps and water aerobics only.

While we're at it, I'm concerned about Jack Watts.

I think we should have him sit out the entire 2010 season, cos if he plays there's a chance he could do a knee and then we'd be without him for the season anyway.

Its just safer that way.

[MikeyJ 60]

Enforcer: I agree wholeheartedly.

[Akum 2,660]

I'm not sold on Scotty West. Give him a go and everything, and he was a great player, but I'm not sure how he'd be withe the thinking/innovating side of the game.

Sorry to push this thread back onto Scotty West, but there were a number of attributes of his playing career that I think would serve him well as a coach:

(1) He rarely if ever played a bad game, even if his team was getting smashed, and especially when it was close.

(2) He showed immense courage but intelligently, never recklessly.

(3) He was at his best in clearances & stoppages.

(4) He was never sublimely talented, or blessed with supreme athletic ability. He became such an effective player largely on the back of his extreme footy smarts - reading the play, great hands, intelligent positioning etc.

I'd say that the "thinking/innovative side of his game" was his key playing attribute, and if he can impart just a little of that to our current crop of young mids, he's a huge asset. Wouldn't necessarily want him to be the kicking coach, though!

I know less about Mark Williams - what's his CV?

Edited September 2, 2009 by Akum