Demon Dynasty

Yes i said that also Bing. In total agreement. Had a shocker yesterday but others do that also and get follow up games. Like Kent in Round 2 against the Bombers. Horror match but came out the next week against Norf and probably was in our best 10 players that day. Up and down since then. Frost a shocker in the game against Norf. Came out against the Pies and played ok the week after. Another below par game against the Toiges and a shocker against the Saints. Then dropped (maybe for match up reasons though , who knows). Going to happen with the young blokes. Takes seasons as you know to come up to speed and find any consistency. In the case of Jacky boy it took 7. Not sure if lessor lights (ie., not No.1 picks) will get that much leeway to come good though. Based on y'days performance Harmes probably out for Newton. But on his previous 3 to 4 weeks, especially the Lions in Rnd 9, i would say no. Wasn't the worst last week (but still ordinary) where i would have placed him on a par (roughly) performance wise in that match (ONLY) with say Tyson/Wagner. Just part of what comes with playing young blokes. Thereabouts one week, cloke of invisibility the next (or the one after lol).

4 against the Lions a few weeks ago Gorg. Garlett hasn't bounced back since his last decent game against the Suns 5 rounds back. Def our best small forward when he's on but his form has dropped away since that match. Can't see him being dropped.

You mean this one Demi

No argument there Bing and Harmes was easily in our bottom 2 WOG y'day. Had him as 2nd worst. You may have missed the rest of my post (and other earlier posts saying this about Harmes' overall game y'day).... ..."Had an ugly day but he wasn't the worst clanger offender".... "......Others tend to get away with more of them (or similar levels) though as their other work more than makes up for it (eg., Vince/Jones/Tyson) on the day and some others are no doubt coach's favs so wouldn't matter how badly they went ie., they've locked away enough brownie points from previous efforts/or they are playing a role (not a chico!) better than others apparently, which some would say is fair enough. Some are also just more involved in general play through the mid (like Harmes) and on such an ugly day are likely to turn it over a fair bit.

Willmoy be careful what you read on here

On Clangers alone you are spot on Saty. Had an ugly day but he wasn't the worst clanger offender. Others tend to get away with more of them (or similar levels) though as their other work more than makes up for it (eg., Vince/Jones/Tyson) on the day and some others are no doubt coach's favs so wouldn't matter how badly they went ie., they've locked away enough brownie points from previous efforts/or they are playing a role (not a chico!) better than others apparently, which some would say is fair enough. Some are also just more involved in general play through the mid (like Harmes) and on such an ugly day are likely to turn it over a fair bit. Leading clanger count from y'day down to Harmes... Vince 8, Tyson 6, Frost 6, Jones 5, Omac 5, Harmes 4

Easily in our best 22 at this point BZ

Newton for Kent....Ben Ken for Garlett

You have my vote. Today's game cant afford a one dimensional forward. Watts a great example of that. We will see what the FD has in store for Dawes if he stays on the park after another week or so.

Easily the worst (still in the side) in terms of averages/output in the last 4 weeks Titan. If he performed reasonably yesterday i would agree with you. 4 in a row with a horror 4th game in there... Ben Ken time!!!

Ben Ken for Garlett! WOO HOOOOOO! Go you beauty!

Based on the fact that he isn't performing in other aspects of his game....yes. Otherwise what is he there for?

He has given us very little other than about 1 goal a match since Rnd 7. He is there to kick goals, pressure and/or goal assist. His output yesterday was the worst of any player all year. 1 effective disposal and 3 clangers .... Actually sent us backwards with a Net -2 output. 0 Goals 0 Assists 0 shots on goal 3 tackles 1 one percenter. 26 AFL fantasy points.....the worst of any player yesterday and i would take a stab and say probably the worst of any MFC player all year (or extremely close to it). The next worst Dawes with 40 (first game back from long period away) and the next Harmes with 41. Even Kent's Rnd 2 performance against the Bombers (which was abysmal) and Frost's in Rnds 3 (Norf) and 6 (Saints) weren't as bad (but still bad lol).

Unless you have access to the 'hit outs to advantage' stat from Champion we have no way of really knowing who is better as a pinch hitting ruck Boydie, including Pedo. Pedo just happens to have played more there with Dawes out injured so often. Watts has played maybe 3 or 4 games in that role. Dawes many more than that i would have thought. I am guessing the coaches wanted him in his first up game to just settle into a role up forward as well as getting his match fitness up without asking/demanding too much of him physically. Probably do the same in the next week or so until he does. Then push him into an occasional ruck relief role if his body holds up. He is prone to injury agreed and always a risk but only the FD/Dawes himself would know how his body is doing. Not sure how you would know he is going to be "out" of the side within the next month or so unless you have a crystal ball.

Yes Song Everyone should be made to earn it. Underperformance will continue for as long as we continue to accept it. He's been horrid and easily our worst (overall) in the last 4 weeks.

I would have thought Garlett firstly. Hasn't performed since Rnd 7 against the Suns. Bottom 4 performer in all rounds since and WOG for us y'day. Averaging just over 1 goal per game since the Suns match and would have thought he would need 2 - 3 on average (at least) to justify his position, especially seeing he is doing little else to contribute. I realise they are diff roles but pretty sure Ben Kenn could handle small forward role in place of Garlett. Need to send a big message here and actually put someone in who who might be willing to work harder to keep the ball i50. Have to try something to improve our forward pressure. Harmes would be next off the block but his recent form (without being acceptable) hasn't been anywhere as bad as Garlett's (until yesterday where he was only 2nd to Garlett for WOG). Yes i know he isn't a stay at home small forward but he does spend a fair bit of time i50 or close to it. Could instruct him to play deeper regardless. Garlett / Harmes averages from Rnd 8 to 11, 2016 Eff Disp 11 / 39 Goals 5 / 4 Tackles 11 / 14 1%s 3 / 3 Clangers 9 / 12

Are you saying me mate Rusty can't sing Biff?

Dawes doesn't choose to ruck or not to i wouldn't think Adam. That's a result of the match day coaches i would have thought. Nothing is left to chance now. A poor decision by them yesterday IMO.

Thx for the link

That's the point though Dee. When our very best/quality kids aren't available or out of form, we bring in more kids. I love the kids and some of them will be our future and it's exciting and romantic. But the difference between their performances on any day and their best (like norf)/worst(like last week etc) is too huge to take so many into matches like yesterday. Might work against similar lists that are as inexperienced like the Lions (66.4 ave games per player v us @ 57.9). We need more of a balance at the 100/150+ game mark to start winning more consistently and finish off games like yesterday and have any chance of a finals berth next year. Even with a few of their gun players out, the Hawks have a great spread... Hawthorn Games Melbourne 6 - 50 11 2 50 - 99 6 7 100 -149 3 7 150+ 2 By the time some of the kids 'begin' to mature (not all will make it past 100 games) we will again be losing our only experienced/mature minded players (from yesterday) like Vince/Jones and will then need to wait years for the next lot of "kid" recruits to mature and by the time they're ready...rinse and repeat. The end of this year needs some serious focus on 'trading in' some experienced older heads and mature bodies (who are AFL standard by foot, can lower eyes and hit targets/kick accurately for goal...no hackers pls).

That's a nice romantic view of it Skin. But it was 2 players running to the same pocket. I understand one of them heading there, but surely they should be splitting and one of them heading to a more dangerous spot? If Trenners was there as you say, i would be even more angry. Are you sure he was anywhere near the goal square? Would need to re-watch this as i can't recall Trenners being alone in the goal square.

I wouldn't be so forgiving Biff Yes, nothing like some good 80s pop lyrics from a Spandau et. al. to get your tastebuds going! ...."These are my salad days, slowly being eaten away".... o.O

Lucifer the kids will be up now! o.O

Our forward pressure Is virtually non existant CBD. Garlett and occasionaly Kent seem to be the only one quick enough to catch anyone and unfortunately neither of those, especially Garlett, have given a yelp recently. Garlett, Kent and Harmes have to spend time at Casey for a while. Would play anyone other than those 3 up forward at present. Harmes plays higher I realise but he needs a spell. I would even consider JKH and Ben Ken up forward for a start, which Is scraping the barrel, but that's how bad our small forwards are at present. I would even try Pedo there over Kent at the moment for a few games and see how he goes when he gets back. Send Watts down back for half a match. Swap them around If the gambit Isnt working at the break.

I doubt we will beat either the Saints or the Blues undee. Can only see a 'maybe' next week and a likely against the Suns. That's 7 for the year same as last year which would mean we are tredding water after 3 years Into another rebuild. While we continue to blood youngster after youngster we will continue to lose. This club now needs to focus on a serious Injection of decent/solid older/more experienced Ex players from other clubs to beef up our stocks and win games that are/were very winnable when the heat Is on, like today's game. We are too skewed to youth at all costs at this point. An average No. of games of about 65 most weeks (Hawks had approx 124 today lol), no mater how romantic/effective some here think It Is "getting games Into the kids" Is, Isn't going to win us enough games to threaten for finals. Winning Is believing, winning builds belief. Time to balance out this list with some quality (especially by foot) experienced talent a la Norf.