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@binman what was highlighted here?

I presume a Cameron type forward means Jeremy Cameron himself?

Because things evolve quickly over 24 months. Because things are in the pipeline that you and I are not aware of. Because perhaps the club realise that a 'dominant' ruckman, actually isn't all THAT important.

If he stays, well I am satisfied with that. All players have weaknesses and Viney's are well known. It's how best to fit him in (as I see he is the most limited from a skills perspective) with the rest of them, not how the rest fit around Jack. Nonethless, if he is to leave - I find that exciting also.

100 [censored] % @A F I get the romanticism, but... just because you love some one, doesn't mean it's workable. And i don't think Jack himself thinks this, but the historical names, are not bigger than the club in of itself.

plus the 5/6 he gave off throughout the season. So lets go for 25 goals from 13 games. There's your just shy of two average.

Let me be a pedant @Half forward flank - as I'm all about evidence base and empirical research. Can you link me into a quote of his for where he said 'easily fixed' or words to that effect?

announced when Geelong are knocked out in straight sets? :p

Friend of mine Daniel Gucciardi has written numerous peer reviewed articles on 'mental toughness'. Essentially the construct is too difficult to measure http://www.danielgucciardi.com.au/publications.html Personally I could bore you with the process of 'stress inoculation' or 'building resilience' (jargon, jargon)... but essentially its exposure to your own emotional discomfort and 'getting on with things' irrespective of how you feel... that's the learnt behaviour - til such time as the emotional response in of itself is no longer perceived or related to as an issue.

Player Positives Langdon, Petracca, May, Rivers Player Positives with Inconsistency Weiderman, Fritsch Oliver, Pickett, Lever Need Help With Forward Line Pressure Forward Line Entries New line coaches Different mix in Midfield Mitigating Factors (for those who are pessimistic about Goodwin, these are 'reasons' to add to the understanding of finishing 9th and not 'excuses'.) Most Travel of any team (flights, transfers) Most fly in on game day(s) Most change of hubs Team least likely to stay put in one spot (unlike Brisbane, Western Bulldogs, Collingwood, Richmond) 12 games in 60 days No bye in that stretch of time.

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German heritage?

Sounds bloody sensational Josh - photo's out of the smoker please :)

my point is - that outcomes are not preordained.

Martin Pike says hello :) ?

Thanks @dazzledavey36 - nothing to see here then...normal service resumed.

I rate James, and feel he is not been utilised in his best position, sacrificing for the team, as it were. Why then, do I feel it is significant that he wasn't training with the presumed team for the final game against Essendon (ie: not named for the last few matches). I know it's conjecture and we will find out soon enough, I wonder though whether he has requested to a trade elsewhere? Or perhaps I'm just inferring stuff, and Rivers goes in ahead of him and it is a simple as that?

A la Frawley etc, he has been played out of position for a reason, he’s been upfront to the club and the club then move him out of a role that he would typically play so the other players can learn without him... fairly straight forward practice

You don't think he knows how far he can kick?

I know he is on the outer - but why is Polec on the outer?

CD = 1.68m CS = 1.73m KP = 1.70m KC =1.73m LJ = 1.98m ?

Weiderman looks confused at the 'messaging'... he's gone

1.Neale 2.Boak 3. Petracca He has had a fine year Trac, at times he wasn't as effective - but I'd hope he would be 18-22 votes range.

@Darkhorse72 - it feels like such a valid point (that was my first response to this) AND then I thought about Soccer/Football (EPL etc) managers who every single game do the same actions to gesticulate for positioning etc etc. So these are my questions Does this mean there is no true leadership on the field? How important are the 'runners' who now have limited access to set up structures? Is it hard to see the woods for the trees if you're out on the field from a structural perspective? Mmmmm plenty to ponder.

All the alternate opinions on Jadyen, bring to mind the notion of a broader question. 'How much time do you give to a footballer in the system to be developed, before it's decided that what he has to offer does not work for whatever role you give him within your team structure?'