mo64

I have no issue with what was said on Footy Classified, or by Jeremy Howe. Their opinions were shared by 99% of the football world when the trade was made. And it's proven to be correct. As for Grundy meeting with Port players and Hinkley, if the club has told Grundy's management that he's free to explore other options, then there's no issue. If the meeting was held over Zoom, we wouldn't be talking about it. If Max goes down and Grundy is required, meeting with Port should have no impact on his performance. If he's mentally checked out of the MFC, then that would be reflected on the training track, and he wouldn't get selected anyway.

I think that Jefferson has shown enough to suggest that he has the tools to make it at AFL level. For a majority of the year he was playing alongside 2/3 experienced AFL forwards who tend to command the ball. BBB, T Mac and Schache are still on our list next year, and my concern is whether Jefferson's development will be hindered. He needs to be the no.1 or 2 key forward at Casey to build his confidence.

How is it that people can't see that both Max and Grundy perform better when they have the no.1 rucking duties for a majority of the game? Ruckmen generally aren't burst players. Max has elite endurance and can wear down opposition rucks. As we've seen this year, splitting the ruck time actually dilutes Max's impact on the game. People on here were calling for Max to be dropped. It's no coincidence that the team has performed better since Max has gone single handed, especially our forward line.

I've addressed this before, but Grundy turns 30 next year and will still have 3 years remaining on his contract at the end of 2024. If we hold on to him for one more year, and he finds himself at Casey for most of it, no other club will take on his 3 yr $650k contract at age 31.

So you're expecting Grundy, who's spent all year trying to develop his forward craft and failed, is now a capable key defender for the finals? I think most on here are misreading the tea leaves. We want Grundy out as much as Port want him. There won't be any hard ball on our part. And we won't hold him to his contract as a trade manoeuvre.

I agree, but his ideal successor would be someone in the 23 - 25 age bracket who may be happy to develop at Casey, or shows ability up forward.

Why are people surmising that Max may sustain an injury in his latter playing days, but Grundy won't? Grundy turns 30 next year, so I can never understand why people think he's an ideal successor when Max retires.

There has been some ridiculous MRP and tribunal decisions this year, but this wasn't one of them. Weitering inadvertently glanced Greene's face whilst trying to remove Greene from his headlock on McGovern. Fine was correct decision. On the other hand Bedford was stiff. Hope he gets off on appeal.

Seriously, why are people saying that they have sources on a player's medical condition? If Fritta has the same mobility as he did when he came back on the ground, I'd play him regardless of the diagnosis.

A tall loitering in our forward line is actually detrimental to the side. And your choice of words is apt when describing Grundy and Gawn up forward. The Pies would waltz the ball out of their backline.

I'm not saying Briggs was available, but giving an example that there are 2nd and 3rd string ruckmen that could fullfil a role as the no.1 ruck if given the chance. But you wouldn't be giving them $650k a year for 5 years to be an emergency in case Max got injured.

Your summising that if we didn't get Grundy, we wouldn't have got someone else. Grundy was hardly spectacular in Max's absence, and borderline average when playing with Max. Keiren Briggs was the Giants 3rd choice ruckman when the season started, and is now their clear no.1. There are ruckmen on AFL lists who just need the chance to show that they are capable. And history has proven that. Grundy is a trade asset, but we won't get much more than what we paid. And we have to trade him this off-season. If his 2024 season is replicated at the Dees, by 2025 he will be a 31yo ruckman who has hardly played senior football for 3 years, with 3 years remaining on his contract. He will become a massive liability on our books.

Whilst we're still in contention this year, and Max could potentially get injured, Goodwin can't dishearten Grundy by openly talking about trading him. I tend to believe the former rather than the latter.

The Ins ratings are spot on. Goody has finally admitted that Grundy hasn't worked. To give him credit for Max' form is fanciful. If we didn't get Grundy, we would have got someone else. Toby Bedford B+. He missed the start of the season through injury, but is now an automatic selection in a team that's performing well. Shame to lose him. Weid D. He's been the underperforming player he was at Melbourne.

There is no such thing as a bidding war for a player. The player will nominate his club of choice, and he either goes there or remains at his existing club. And Grundy is a 99% chance of leaving. The club doesn't want to pay $650k for a back up ruckman until Max retires. And it's been mentioned previously that a player can't be paid by 3 clubs, so we can't pay a portion of Grundy's contract whilst the Pies are still paying a significant chunk.

You are correct, but historically neither had shown that they were capable forwards. The club and some supporters got giddy by Max' 2021 Prelim 5 goal haul, but that has proven to be an outlier. The 2nd reason why it didn't work is that both Max and Grundy need to spend a majority of the game as 1st ruck to be effective. The club should have learnt from the Preuss experiment.

Keays' kick curled in late. It clearly missed the post.

Grundy will turn 30 just after the 2024 season starts, and has spent of majority of the 2nd half of 2023 in the VFL. And he still has 4 years to run on his contract, which is another negative. His value definitely hasn't appreciated. I can only see 2 potential suitors being Port Adelaide and Geelong. We'll do well to get a pick in the late 20's. A future 2nd is more likely. .

We need to make a pitch to someone who still sees themselves as still developing as ruckman, so that counts out Preuss. Flynn would be the one I'd target from GWS. The Hawks also have 4 ruckmen on their list who are all under 25. They also have Koschitzke and Brandon Ryan who could be developed into forward/rucks.

Which is why we should have pursued Hayden McLean instead of Grundy.

Grundy delivered what I expected of him, which was nothing. Can the Demonland Grundy sychophants finally concede that he's a liability unless he plays as the number 1 ruck? But we're stuck with him for another 4 years if the sycophnats have their way. Blues deserved to win, end of story.

He was a great mark but Choco would have to be a miracle worker to improve his kicking.

What options do you suggest who haven't recently failed? BBB and T Mac are cooked. Grundy has never been a capable forward, and Smith is unproven. Petty and JVR are the only 2 key forwards who have looked like taking a contested mark, in addition to being mobile. Petty is not replaceable.

You left out the player who I'd like to see replace Petty, and that is Schache.

Grundy playing at VFL level for the rest of the year isn't going to dissuade clubs from pursuing him. Other clubs know that his value is as a no.1 ruckman, so if he returned to the team alongside Max, his value won't increase.