mo64

The same should apply with us and Trac. Deal only gets done with Humphrey included. The reality is the GCS knew our threats to keep Trac were idle. Pics have already been discussed.

Every other player wanting a move has nominated a club, bar Bailey Humphrey. If he was 100% committed to joining us, he would have done so already. You don't leave it till the last 3 days. Maybe he wants to get home, but his preferred club doesn't have the draft capital. And the fact that draft picks have already been discussed for Trac's move means the Humphrey was always just a pipedream. Now watch Lamb get bent over with the Trac deal and hand over every pick that GCS needs to get their academy players.

The same compelling reasons why the Western Bulldogs let Hunter go and the Pies let Grundy go. We've got the same person making the list management decisions. As supporters/members, based on their track record, we have every right to question those making the decisions.

Exactly. That's my point. It's not a Steven King decision.

King has barely been in the door 5 minutes. What interactions has King had with Clarry to make an assessment of his fitness, commitment or professionalism? Did King speak to Clarry about the reasons behind his dropoff in form? Or was the decision to cut Clarry loose made by others within the club, and it was King's job to spin it in a subtle way.

It will be Lamb on a spit if he doesn't nominate us.

Of course they would, and we'd be stupid enough to do it.

Clearly Cal and Riley don't know how to get to Maffra. That's where it's all happening.

Surely (a) is a given otherwise everyone is wasting their time.

Once out of contract he'll probably want to play with his brothers.

The MFC didn't turn the likes of Clarry and Trac into premiership players. Without them at the club we wouldn't have won a flag. In my time following the club we've had 3 genuine A grade inside midfielders, Clarry, Trac and Greg Wells. We're kicking 2 of them out the door. I'm in the court where I thought Clarry seemed unburdened once Goody was sacked, and his output lifted. If those that want him out believe he can turn things around at GWS, why isn't it possible for him to do it under King?

If we give up pick 24 as well, we are a laughing stock. That's essentially Trac and McVee for 2 kids in a supposedly weak draft for top end talent. Tim Lamb strikes again.

Just heard the Saints traded Marshall to Cats for SDK, hence the reason they pulled out from Aleer.

But the happy clappers promised us it would be Humphrey or the deal is off.

Spot on. Steven King would have to be a total [censored] to think that Clarry isn't our best midfielder when fully fit and focussed. You could argue that King should have told Jack Viney the same thing. Obviously King has been told that Clarry is beyond redemption. And the stories of us taking on part of his salary clearly aren't made up, because no club would even bother to speak to Clarry if it wasn't the case. Lamb may not have spoken to GWS directly, but he has certainly conveyed to Clarry's manager what the terms of a trade would look like.

The idea of taking on $700k for a 1st rd pick is more palatable than taking on $300k and getting essentially nothing. The cap will inevitably increase, so the additional $400k is easier to absorb. Plus we have some aging stars coming to their end, so salary cap issues shouldn't be a problem in the near future.

We'll have the same issue with Trac wanting to leave again, but his trade value will diminish.

Agree. GCS, in their eyes, have the draft capital to get Petracca, whilst Petracca is our only means of acquiring Humphrey. Until Humphrey nominates us as his preferred club, Cameron will be steadfast that he is not for trade.

It's still a double whammy. Essentially losing Clarry for nothing, and still paying whatever part of his salary. If he was an UFA, we'd be getting an early 1st rd pick.

Where he was drafted is irrelevant.

Whilst we all know that Clarry isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, it kind of debunks the notion that the meeting with King was a cordial affair. It's clear that Clarry has been driven out of the club. Now it's a matter of how badly we get screwed on the trade.

Lamb will trade these picks for 18, just like he did for Tholstrup. We've being throwing away 2nd and 3rd round picks like confetti in recent years. For once I'd like Jason Taylor to be given the opportunity to have multiple top 30 picks, and not just 1st round picks acquired by trading our furture 1sts. The elite top end talent is supposedly shallow this year, but that doesn't mean that there isn't talent deeper in the draft.

I disagree to an extent, especially with Trac. We've been down this path before with Bailey and Neeld. With the backing of the club, they cleaned out the experienced players, and we were left with high draftees who couldn't fend for themselves. We were in the doldrums for over a decade. The Pies were in a worse position to us when Buckley was sacked. They had cap issues which resulted in a firesale of players, but they kept the experienced players like Sidebottom and Pendelbury, who were said to be on the decline. With a new coach, they rebounded quickly. We were competitive against some of the better sides this year, with a mix of senior players and some youth. I would like to see how it goes with a new game plan, and the young players gaining more experience. If we lose Trac, Clarry and May, and don't top up with quality, I see us as a bottom 4 team.

Many of the more recent premiership ruckmen started their career at another club, and left due to lack of opportunity. Nankervis, Stanley, Cameron and Fort. Gawn is the odd one out. I'm more excited with the acquisition of Max Heath than I am with Mihocek.